Presidential Debate #2 Debate

[MrCoffee]

Originally posted by NUKE
Then you backed Kerry when he voted to use force in Iraq? You backed Kerry when he said that he was glad Saddam was out of power and that the Iraq war was the right thing to do?

You back Kerry when he says he thinks it's wrong to send troops into Iraq without  proper equipment, then votes against funding the troops?

He voted to give Bush authorization however Bush as the president has 60 days to do whatever he wants militarly. Bush presented his case then carried out his plans.

I think Kerry covered that in the debate today. he said he wanted the people to pay for it and not pass it along to the next generation. Sounds reasonable. Maybe what Bush is doing seems so great because everything he does is being passed on to the next generation.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by MrCoffee
He voted to give Bush authorization however Bush as the president has 60 days to do whatever he wants militarly. Bush presented his case then carried out his plans.

Second issue, Kerry covered that himself in the debate today. he said he wanted the people to pay for it and not pass it along to the next generation. Sounds reasonable. Maybe what Bush is doing seems so great because everything he does is being passed on to the next generation.

ummmm, okay.

[rpm]

I think it was a close debate and these numbers are very early. Give it a day or 2 and we will see if either gained any ground. The guys screaming "Landslide Bush" either didn't watch the debate or didn't pay attention. There was no clear win by either candidate tonight.

[MrCoffee]

Dont mean to be bashing on Bush so much. I just got back from starbucks.

[Golfer]

for those posting 'poll' results from internet votes and such about who won...heres one from AOL

Who won the debate?
John Kerry 52%
George Bush 48%
Which ticket is faring better in the debates overall?
Kerry-Edwards 54%
Bush-Cheney 46%
Total Votes: 357,537


completely unscientific but i'd call it pretty damn square.  I saw Kerry foundering tonight, he always talked about his plan.  He only talked about his plan.  In fact, I'm starting to get sick of the word plan.  When it comes right down to it and Joe American is standing in the voting booth, he votes for his gut instinct on who he thinks is best.  Best of luck to both sides but for the sake of America...vote Bush.

[Nash]

There was no "clear" win...

But there was a big, big, huge win nonetheless. The kind of win where folks suddenly think something, but have no idea why.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Nash
There was no "clear" win...

But there was a big, big, huge win nonetheless. The kind of win where folks suddenly think something, but have no idea why.

Too true. I think this one may have some long term effect.

[TweetyBird]

Who liked Kerry's response to the question, what would you do if Iran didn't respond to sanctions? In fact , who can transalate what he said? I heard, " well I'd talk to other countries and I'd get tough on them." Anyone actually hear his plan? I 'm serious, I missed it. I know his response was 90% another issue and only the last couple of sentences had to do with Iran - and they said nothing. I guess that counts as a "I dunno." But that Iran thing is a real problem in the next 4 years.

In fact I can you tell you many things Kerry says not to do, but other than talking to other countires in some type of coca cola commercial (I'd like to teach the world to sing....) I've heard NO PLAN.

[Nash]

Tweety... do you recall spending the last two weeks complaining like an old woman that you didn't understand a damn thing Bush was ever trying to say? "Convoluted" comes to mind.

Now you're saying it about Kerry...

Do you understand... anyone?

[rpm]

Tweety, if you really want to look at his plans look at his website. He does have specific ideas on many subjects. I don't expect either candidate to lay out their detailed ideas in soundbites of 90 seconds or less.

[TweetyBird]

I asked about specific question, Nash. I didn't hear an answer.

Old women need love too

[DREDIOCK]

His tax policy will not affect most small busineses. I cant remember exact figure but if I do I'll post it.
  [/B]

according to CNBC an independant think tank has the number effected at 400,000

Not the amount Bush claims, but still an AWFUL lot

[DREDIOCK]

Also the same think tank has the number of lost jobs at 800,000 not the 1.5 million that kerry claims

They were doing a facts thing pointing out where each side had their numbers wrong.

Was actually pretty non partison imo

[LePaul]

Check this  article out concerning the tax cuts, who got em and who they help.  

Despite the spin, its not "just the wealthy" who got a break (albeit they do pay 67.7% of the tax burden)

[MrCoffee]

Originally posted by Steve
Don't get caught up in liberal speak.  You can only give tax breaks to people who actually pay taxes.

How do you justtify tax breaks when at the same time the biggest threat today is a wmd being snuck into the US or a harbor by means of shipping. Shouldnt those measures be taken cared of already. I think the argument was that it would be too expensive and would hike the tax up yet Bush is giving a tax break to the wealthiest. I guess they all live in monoco or some other place. As Spock from star Trek would say, thats illogical.

And the drugs from canada and blocking group drug buys here in the US that would make them cheaper for srs. That is just illogical as well. Who pays, the people.

Ok Im off the pres debate, I think I've said enough.