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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2004, 02:58:09 PM »
Anyone know how how long runway you need to get airborne dry/combat weight in the F/A-18 ?

could look it up, but i bet some of you know.

p.s. metric please :D

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2004, 03:03:45 PM »
I think that I once heard that it's about 400m/1000ft.
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2004, 03:04:59 PM »
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I think that I once heard that it's about 400m/1000ft.


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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2004, 03:08:05 PM »
At normal TO weight I believe. Not too sure about that, though.

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2004, 03:09:14 PM »
Got to love the Finns.  Give them a dirt road or snow and they will drive 130 mph.  Give them a nice dry paved road and they fly jets off it.  :)

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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2004, 06:51:38 AM »
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Very nice,,

Finns turn F-18 into Bush Plane.

Great idea, have you ever tried skis or tundra tires?

They would be very hard to find spread out like that


Hehe not to jets certainly. But using skis with the older warplanes was normal practise. Skis were tested with almost all the different fighters and bombers as well.  During wintertime, for example in Winter War, the Fokker D.XXI and Gladiator fighters were equipped with skis and they operated from iced lakes. Very hard to find, those places. Ofter Soviet bomber formations flew over the bases without seeing them.

The Finnish AF technical department tested also recratable skies for many planes. I think the list includes for example Brewster, Fiat G.50, Fokker D.XXI and Hurricane. And imagine that - Blenheim as well.

The recratable skis caused still too much drag, though, and therefore the higher performance planes were always on normal tires. This of course took a lot of work for the ground crews to keep the airfield strips or the ice lake runways in good condition.

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2004, 07:05:14 AM »
Hey ARLO!!! clean that up would ya! and make it 1024 X 768!!!

Thats an awesome wallpaper if ya ask me!!!:D

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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2004, 07:06:30 AM »
The F-18 has been fantastic plane for us. There was of course lots of political struggle as the purchase was pretty expensive, but in the end the Air Force got their will through: they got to choose the best plane and decided on F-18. Besides other capabilities, the two engines are a life saver. There's already been some cases where the plane would have been lost, when the other engine quit. But with other still running, they've got back ok.

The planes have, btw, some unique modifications and capabilities. We got newer radar system than the US F-18s and the planes are equipped with the Finnish real time Command and Control system. Somewhat similar system is, to my understanding, right now being tested by US AF and USAF personnel have visited FiAF studying our system and bringing knowledge back home. The system, shortly put, puts together a large picture of all aerial activity in Finnish airspace and as far as teh radars can see it, combines all radar, visual etc data together, and sends real time tactical data highly encrypted to all interceptors. The planes see complete picture of all activity without needign to turn their own radar on. Even if ground radars are shut down or destroyed the country wide survellance system still works, from Eyeball Mk. I and above, sends data and ground controllers always now what is where in the airspace. So an intercept can be made in complete radio silence, with the interceptor using the "Tietovuo" system data until they've got to visual distance, sliding behind target and either flashing radar to send radar missiles or launch the heat seekers. This Tietovuo system was originally developed in the 1960s, I believe, and it has been continually been developed and enhanced. Before F-18s it was used in the Drakens and MiGs as well.

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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2004, 09:37:57 AM »
Here's a nice video about the subject:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/~anttruok/Virttaa.zip
It's 39mb zipped.

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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2004, 10:21:39 AM »
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"VOUDIN MIÄRÄÄMIEN NOPEUSRAJJOITUKSIEN VALAVONTA TULLAAN SUORITETTAMMAAN HÄVITTÄJÄLENTOKONNEIHEN YSTÄVÄLLISELLÄ AVUSTUKSELLA."

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That post illustrate perfectly why the "A" key allways fail first on a finnish keyboard :p

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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2004, 10:26:33 AM »
I slightly overdid that sentence to illustrate Nilsens point, but I guess you'r right.:)

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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2004, 12:23:30 PM »
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That post illustrate perfectly why the "A" key allways fail first on a finnish keyboard :p


It's not the "A" key that fails, but the "Ä" key.  :)

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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2004, 12:37:19 PM »
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Here's a nice video about the subject:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/~anttruok/Virttaa.zip
It's 39mb zipped.


WOW that's amazing video!

Must-look for all interesting in the subject.

It shows F-18s and Hawks landing and taking off from a road strip base. Arrestor hook stop in middle of night! Talk about lightshow.

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2004, 01:48:02 PM »
How regular do they operate from roads?  Do they have like a 'mobile caravan' to check the strip and bird control to check for birds and FOD?
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2004, 02:24:45 PM »
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It's not the "A" key that fails, but the "Ä" key.  :)

I stand corrected  :)

It will also kill a Frenhc keyboard : to type a "Ä" I've to press 4 keys !