Do the debates matter?

[Sandman]

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According to the article, Kerry has won the past two debates. So what if he wins the third?

I'll wager that even if he does, the poll results will never show him leading by more than the error margin.

...and on top of that, poll results don't equate to electoral results. I hear it's possible to win the popular vote and yet still not be president.

thots?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Sandman
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According to the article, Kerry has won the past two debates. So what if he wins the third?

I'll wager that even if he does, the poll results will never show him leading by more than the error margin.

...and on top of that, poll results don't equate to electoral results. I hear it's possible to win the popular vote and yet still not be president.

thots?

Kerry won debate #1 unqustionably
whether Kerry won debate #2 or not.....
Is Debatable LOL

[Nash]

They matter greatly, and have a huge effect. Always have. Every debate that's ever been.

Minds are changed or cemented on account of them more than any other thing I can think of during an election. Unless you're caught bangin' Donna Rice.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Sandman
I hear it's possible to win the popular vote and yet still not be president.
 

Not only possible but designed to be that way by the Founders. It's a good thing.

[Sandman]

Once again.. sarcasm fails me.

[Toad]

Sounded more like a lament to me. Just thought I'd help ya in your sorrow.

[Sandman]

I'd be okay with the electoral college if California had more votes.

[Toad]

Better get more of those illegals registered then!

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'd be okay with the electoral college if California had more votes.

That's blasphemy to the rest of the Union!

[lazs2]

if Bush loses as bad as he did the first time again then they might give kerrie the edge in the weak Bush states and help him maintain control of all his weak states but....

If Bush can continue to show kerrie as a liberal who promises trillions of dollars of giveaway programs with no hope of paying for them and no real plan for iraq except a watered down Bush plan...

he will lose even nore states.

A tie or a close tie will be a Bush win.  

kerrie could pull off the electorial vote but he has a much worse shot at it... He has a lot of vulnerable states and has to keep them while picking up some of Bush's vulnerable ones.

The most important thing will be who has the most shocking commercials/broadcasts toward the end.

lazs

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Toad
Better get more of those illegals registered then!

ROTFLMAO!!!:lol

Friday, Sept. 5, 2003
LOS ANGELES – California Gov. Gray Davis quietly announced to the Spanish-language media that he will sign the controversial bill allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses.

This as critics in Davis' own state government condemned the bill for endangering the public and the electoral process by enabling illegal aliens to fraudulently vote and unlawfully purchase firearms.


SB-60, revived this year after similar bills were vetoed in 2001 and 2002, would allow 'undocumented immigrants' to apply for state-issued driver's licenses using foreign birth documents and IRS taxpayer identification numbers in lieu of previously required U.S. birth certificates and Social Security numbers.


The licenses issued under the proposed law would carry no indication that the applicant was not a legal resident. That, critics say, will create a host of problems they say bill supporters have failed to address.


Voter Fraud Expected


A driver's license is the only official document needed to register to vote, according to the Registrar of Voters office in Los Angeles County, Calif. A spokesperson there said that's because, until now, a valid license was a clear indication of legal residency.


The Registrar's Office confirms an illegal alien, license in hand, would simply have to lie in response to the citizenship question on the voter registration form in order to begin voting.


The office said it has no way to verify whether or not an applicant is a citizen. Voter registration forms are signed under penalty of perjury, it said, and the citizenship question is simply answered "on the honor system."


Officials at the office could not recall a single instance of a registered voter being prosecuted for perjury.


Additionally, California's motor-voter law enables driver's license applicants to simultaneously register to vote. The new license bill has no provisions to limit or remove the automatic voter registration process from the applications.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
That's blasphemy to the rest of the Union!

Yeah, but I noticed you didn't disagree.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'd be okay with the electoral college if California had more votes.

I'd be ok with it if california had NO votes

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'd be okay with the electoral college if California had more votes.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[lazs2]

yep.. the map is from an avowed kerrie supporter but he does try his best to be fair.

If you look at the map the dark red or blue are strong Bush/kerrie states... the light red/blue are "weak" Bush/kerrie states and the outlined ones are very weak with no color a tossup.

every poll I can find shows about the same thing so.... there is no news of it today by netscape or msnbc or yahoo or any of the internet news sources... not newsworthy like when kerrie "pulled even in popular vote" a few days ago (was only a percent or two down).

lazs