Author Topic: Tell me again how Iraq was the wrong war? (Read 3651 times)

anonymous · « **Reply #45 on:** October 13, 2004, 04:25:44 PM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO
i have to concur with this statement..

if you concur with that statement you have no idea of how us govt us military us intelligence agency work or work together. saying iraq was "fault" or "mistake" by "bush" is playing politics and nothing else.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #46 on:** October 13, 2004, 04:26:27 PM »

So...

Cuba, North Korea, virtually all of Africa, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

If this is the new motif we are using - how many body bags filled with Americans are worth all of their freedom from warlords/dictators that they themselves won't fight for?
-SW

Martlet · « **Reply #47 on:** October 13, 2004, 04:27:34 PM »

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Originally posted by anonymous
if you concur with that statement you have no idea of how us govt us military us intelligence agency work or work together. saying iraq was "fault" or "mistake" by "bush" is playing politics and nothing else.

You'd also have to say the entire intelligence committee, Congress, Kerry, etc etc were also dishonest and incompetent.

anonymous · « **Reply #48 on:** October 13, 2004, 04:37:36 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
So...

Cuba, North Korea, virtually all of Africa, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

If this is the new motif we are using - how many body bags filled with Americans are worth all of their freedom from warlords/dictators that they themselves won't fight for?
-SW

its the motif youre using. your motif or lack of ability to "get it" isnt my problem thank goodness.

SirLoin · « **Reply #49 on:** October 13, 2004, 04:47:08 PM »

It was wrong to go to war in Iraq.

lazs2 · « **Reply #50 on:** October 13, 2004, 04:49:58 PM »

were any of the skeletons a little girl clutching a kite by any chance?

lazs

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #51 on:** October 13, 2004, 04:51:34 PM »

Can't answer the question?

The problem isn't me not getting it, I get it perfectly well. The problem is you refusing to see the conditions for war we've set in motion. If we don't follow through with it, we're just hypocrits.
-SW

anonymous · « **Reply #52 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:04:33 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Can't answer the question?

The problem isn't me not getting it, I get it perfectly well. The problem is you refusing to see the conditions for war we've set in motion. If we don't follow through with it, we're just hypocrits.
-SW

cant answer or dont want to waste the time. you pick. ill give you a little taste though. castro almost dead. you think communism going to reign supreme after he gone? north korea has power to remove seoul from map in first hour of any war. north korea running out of food power and spare parts. expert opinion on north korea is "soft regime change" during next ten maybe fifteen years if they dont lose it and threaten to nuke someone first. hmmmm lose seoul no matter what or sit and wait? you make the call. africa were there right now hunting cells so it doesnt go off the deep end. africa dont have standing army that is scope of iraqs no need for full scale war. syria and iran well if iraq becomes a working democratic republic in five or ten years do you think theres maybe a chance for pressure for soft regime change in both iran and syria? you think their opressed are going to be as happily opressed as they are today when they see iraqis across the border voting and being allowed to criticize govt without fear of getting rounded up in the night? theres your answer. i think you assinged a stupidly simple line of reasoning to a bunch of complicated and very different situations. do a little reading on the subjects and stop wasting peoples time.

anonymous · « **Reply #53 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:06:24 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
were any of the skeletons a little girl clutching a kite by any chance?

lazs

ouch. lazs2 with a perfectly timed counterpunch left hook to the jaw coming up off the left bob.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #54 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:14:20 PM »

castro almost dead. you think communism going to reign supreme after he gone?

Saddam's health has been questionable since 2001.

expert opinion on north korea is "soft regime change" during next ten maybe fifteen years if they dont lose it and threaten to nuke someone first. hmmmm lose seoul no matter what or sit and wait?

Rhetorical question. Saddam's WMDs were reported as capable of taking out initial frontline coalition forces. We still went in.

syria and iran well if iraq becomes a working democratic republic in five or ten years do you think theres maybe a chance for pressure for soft regime change in both iran and syria? you think their opressed are going to be as happily opressed as they are today when they see iraqis across the border voting and being allowed to criticize govt without fear of getting rounded up in the night? theres your answer.

Speculation.

africa dont have standing army that is scope of iraqs no need for full scale war.

So basically, the people there aren't worth it.

Great answers, they provided nothing.
-SW

anonymous · « **Reply #55 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:19:19 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Rhetorical question. Saddam's WMDs were reported as capable of taking out initial frontline coalition forces. We still went in.

-SW

rhetorical? its well documented fact. north korea has twenty thousand or more artillery or rocket or howitzer in hard shelter within range of seoul. you say "reported". maybe thats the root of your problems with these topics. theres a difference between war planning scenarios and reports on tv news. a big difference. youre comparing expected casualties of bio and chem attack on troops prepared for this attack in nbc gear to effect of tens of thousands of artillery on a major modern city filled with civilians. you dont know much about chem and bio weapons do you? i could go on about other comments by you but even if you bark "cant answer" not playing anymore. when it comes to who knows more on things like this ill let people draw their own conclusions. that my answers provided nothing to you is not a surprise to me. i get the feeling you dont think you have anything to learn from anyone. i wont keep you from tonights nsc briefing.

Badger · « **Reply #56 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:21:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Trell
It is a sad ting knowing that all those people over there are dieing. But it is not our problem......

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #57 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:22:14 PM »

Reported, as in from our intelligence - I didn't get that off the news.

You edited this in : youre comparing expected casualties of bio and chem attack on troops prepared for this attack in nbc gear to effect of tens of thousands of artillery on a major modern city filled with civilians.

And, no I'm not.

Your "who knows more" didn't say anything about not applying the same conditions for going to war in Iraq as in several of the countries I listed. For the rest, imagine I inserted a ghey emoticon like yours.
-SW

anonymous · « **Reply #58 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:31:36 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Reported, as in from our intelligence - I didn't get that off the news.

Your "who knows more" didn't say anything about not applying the same conditions for going to war in Iraq as in several of the countries I listed. For the rest, imagine I inserted a ghey emoticon like yours.
-SW

our intelligence never reported expected casualties among coalition forces from chem and bio attack that were anywhere near the expected casualties from seoul population in first hour of any conflict with north korea. you made that comparison all by yourself. your reasoning about same conditions is a joke. i could answer you by saying well go into africa when theyve been under un sanction for a decade and shooting sam at our aircraft for decade. one more time each situation is different in important ways. you say "we dont care" about people of africa because we killing terrorist cell instead of invading country. youre not making a lot of sense. "we dont care about african people" doesnt jive with all the us money rolling into africa very well. as for the ghey emoticon i need them im not "clever" like you are.

anonymous · « **Reply #59 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:34:26 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
And, no I'm not.

yes you were. "Rhetorical question. Saddam's WMDs were reported as capable of taking out initial frontline coalition forces. We still went in."

you were comparing expected losses from iraqi special weapons to threat posed to seoul when i pointed out that situations were different.