Tell me again how Iraq was the wrong war?

[Torque]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Amazing how people will argue with BTDT types about something they only know about from TV or a hippie website.

Oh teacher, wtf is a BTDT?

[AKIron]

Been there done that?

[mauser]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Amazing how people will argue with BTDT types about something they only know about from TV or a hippie website.

Agree.  It's easy to say "Bush lied to the US/world."  Sounds silly to me.  So our President is also the chief analyst of intelligence?  Doesn't it sound silly if you just admitted you've been had by someone you think is as dumb as a stone?   Making a statement like "it was wrong to go to war in Iraq," is pretty strong when you aren't privy to all the information that is required.  Just how much do you think the media or anyone in the public knows when it comes to decisions made at that level?  

Of course, this is all just politiking and Monday morning quarterbacking of state-level decision making no less.  And this is, as a BTDT on another board has mentioned before, the errornet (or intardnet if you're so inclined).  

mauser

[Raubvogel]

Bush Sr. made a mistake at the end of the Gulf War by not coming to the support of the uprising in Basra. My unit was actually on standby to give them support but was mysteriously (at the time) put on hold. Had we reacted and supported the uprising we would have had a much bigger base of support with the Iraqi people. As it is, they still remember that we left them hanging and I don't blame them. In the Right War (by world opinion) we did the wrong thing (my 2 cents). If there were ever a perfect time for a regime change in Iraq, it was the first Gulf War when we had the support of many nations.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by anonymous
you are right. chinese had a hand in it also didnt they? vn commies were and are evil. in stalin russia at least you had to speak bad about stalin for most part as long as you not on some other list. in commie vn they just went after teachers other educated ones and snuffed them as quickly as they could starve them. you need to learn that i dont consider all russians or even most russian to be communist. dont get defensive because i consider communist leaders of all level to be involved in evil undertaking. russian general not communist to me. hes russian military officer.

Ummm, perhaps you should research the subject before putting your foot in your mouth.

The Vietnamese "liberated" Cambodia in a similar fashion to how the US has "liberated" Iraq.  The Vietnamese did not kill teachers, or educated people, that was the Khmer Rouge. Basically the Vietnamese could not stand by and watch Pol Pot commit any more genocide and decided to intervene while the UN stood idlely by (and the Thai's exploited it as much as the could).

The only problems the Cambodians had with the Vietnamese was the usual low level misbehaviour you get with troops in an occupational role.

Pol Pot is/was considered a complete crackpot by the communists. In fact he wasn't even really a communist, he was more inline with a sort of cult.

Interesting isn't it, how uneducated and uninformed you appear to be

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Ummm, perhaps you should research the subject before putting your foot in your mouth.

The Vietnamese "liberated" Cambodia in a similar fashion to how the US has "liberated" Iraq.  The Vietnamese did not kill teachers, or educated people, that was the Khmer Rouge. Basically the Vietnamese could not stand by and watch Pol Pot commit any more genocide and decided to intervene while the UN stood idlely by (and the Thai's exploited it as much as the could).

The only problems the Cambodians had with the Vietnamese was the usual low level misbehaviour you get with troops in an occupational role.

Pol Pot is/was considered a complete crackpot by the communists. In fact he wasn't even really a communist, he was more inline with a sort of cult.

Interesting isn't it, how uneducated and uninformed you appear to be

ive read several first person accounts of communist vietnamese reeducation camps. one was written by a guy who was a school teacher in south vietnam before the commies took over.

there is a great deal of documentation both on internet and in books about brutal vietnamese reeducation program. torture, execution, being worked to death or starved to death. i dont think communist vietnam reeducation program has anything in common with us policy in iraq.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by anonymous
ive read many accounts written by vietnamese who managed to flee communist vietnam after they survived brutal reeducation camps.

Read many accounts huh?

How about having Cambodian in-laws for oh around 17 years now.

[Torque]

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[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Read many accounts huh?

How about having Cambodian in-laws for oh around 17 years now.

They were Vietnamese Cambodians who fled Vietnamese re-education camps?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Read many accounts huh?

How about having Cambodian in-laws for oh around 17 years now.

...that just means you're biased...

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Read many accounts huh?

How about having Cambodian in-laws for oh around 17 years now.

did your inlaws tell you there were no reeducation camps in communist vietnam or that they didnt commit torture and murder at these camps? what do you think about all the first person accounts of the vietnamese that were in these reeducation camps?

[mijoieau]

makes me laugh ,its all oil greed and more oil seems we look to deep into things like we care about anyone but us and our back pockets and how much fuel cost us.
its a waste to back up more lies and make them some sort of fact for the need to feel like we care about others when we dont.
oil ,power ,money etc

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by anonymous
did your inlaws tell you there were no reeducation camps in communist vietnam or that they didnt commit torture and murder at these camps? what do you think about all the first person accounts of the vietnamese that were in these reeducation camps?

Well, for a start I was talking about Cambodia, to your response to Boroda's. You specificly talked about the execution of teachers, educated people etc, that was the trait of Pol Pot's regime, not the Vietnamese.

Get your story straight first.

Also, given my from what my inlaws told me, and the fact that one side of my "extended" family is in fact from Vietnam, there were obviously attrocities carried out, but not on a huge scale. They won the war, then they beat the snot of those they saw as their opposition. IIRC the USA and South Vietnamese weren't exactly angels during the war, if you won a war and came across someone that booted your brother out of a Huey at a 1000 feet I'm guessing you might decide to inflict a little karma too.

Originally posted by anonymous
i dont think communist vietnam reeducation program has anything in common with us policy in iraq.

As far as the US link to Vietnam goes, you might try attending an adult education clas where you can learn to read, for your obviously obsessive yet simple mind heres what I said again:  "The Vietnamese "liberated" Cambodia in a similar fashion to how the US has "liberated" Iraq."

[Excel1]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
Bush Sr. made a mistake at the end of the Gulf War by not coming to the support of the uprising in Basra. My unit was actually on standby to give them support but was mysteriously (at the time) put on hold. Had we reacted and supported the uprising we would have had a much bigger base of support with the Iraqi people. As it is, they still remember that we left them hanging and I don't blame them. In the Right War (by world opinion) we did the wrong thing (my 2 cents). If there were ever a perfect time for a regime change in Iraq, it was the first Gulf War when we had the support of many nations.

At the time I thought it was a mistake to take the foot of saddam's throat as well. But judging from what he wrote in his memoirs "A World Transformed" in 1998 Bush Sr had other considerations to take into account:

"Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under the circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome"

In light of whats happened with iraq and all the bs that has been generated because of it in the last two years he was probably more prophetic than mistaken.

Excel

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Well Funked, if that was directed at me - I assure you I don't read hippie websites, nor do I pay much attention to TV news.

Drediock, the government decieved us. How far up it went, with knowledge of using bad intel, I can't say.
-SW