if youre european id like to hear your opinion

[anonymous]

this is no trick. you say yes or no i respect your opinion. i think its a case of few activist acting as if they speak for whole nation. some of the mass grave examiner forensics types from europe who became experts in bosnia are refusing to help with mass grave in iraq because evidence they develop might be used to put hussein to death. what do european think of this? is opposition to any death penalty widespread among european? do you guys think exception should be made in case of hussein with upcoming trial? if you think so ill say it first i respect your opinion. my feeling is this is action and view of anti death penalty leaders trying to make a statement. i could be wrong of couse.

[CyranoAH]

The state should not have the right to kill its own citizens.
The justice system is too flawed to give life-or-death powers to a judge or group of judges.

That's my opinion.

Daniel

[Urchin]

That's right, the state should only have the right to kill other state's citizens.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
The state should not have the right to kill its own citizens.
The justice system is too flawed to give life-or-death powers to a judge or group of judges.

That's my opinion.

Daniel

understand your reasons. but if you were mass grave forensic expert would you refuse to aid in work on iraq mass graves because hussein could be put to death by iraqi court?

[straffo]

It will be conflicting with their opinion what else can they do ?

[Dowding]

Their choice according to their values. I'm sure they'd like to see Saddam imprisoned for the rest of his life, and I'm also pretty sure they have no sympathy for the man.

[OIO]

well straffo how about their obligation to the truth?

They are refusing to examine the site of a mass murder because the EVIDENCE they gather may be used to put the murderer to death?

Outright stupid and morally irresponsible.

[ra]

Here's a hypothetical question:  if a foreigner is a fugitive from justice in your country, wanted for autotheft in his country, and the penalty for autotheft in his country is life in prison, will your country extradite him?

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Dowding
Their choice according to their values. I'm sure they'd like to see Saddam imprisoned for the rest of his life, and I'm also pretty sure they have no sympathy for the man.

im certain they have no sympathy. but if hes in jail how long before some poor innocents get taken hostage and beheaded because they wont release sadaam? i can see people worried about death penalty mistake. id still work on the mass graves i dont think tech expertise as a forensics guy is going to be the nail in the coffin of any legal defense sadaam has. and in his case he isnt some carjacker who killed someone. he could actually be a cause of serious trouble if alive and in jail even for rest of his life.

[lazs2]

Pretty sure of themselves eh?  I mean... how do they know that the sadman did it?  He might be proven innocent with their help and thus avoid a death penalty.

If he is innocent then they are helping to get him killed by not investigating.

lazs

[Dowding]

Extradition treaties already exist with the US.

Article 7 of the UK-US treaty covers the death penalty, stating that:

"the executive authority may refuse extradition unless the Requesting State provides an assurance that the death penalty will not be imposed or, if imposed, will not be carried out".

Evidence is a means to an end. If you don't agree with the end, you withold your services. These forensic experts are following a precedent already enacted by the UK, as demonstrated above. So what is your point?

Moreover, when working on the war crimes sites in Bosnia, the evidence was to be used in the Hague under UN auspices. The legal procedure was fully detailed, tried and tested. I'm not sure you could say the same about any trial of Hussein.

[straffo]

Originally posted by OIO
well straffo how about their obligation to the truth?

They are refusing to examine the site of a mass murder because the EVIDENCE they gather may be used to put the murderer to death?

Outright stupid and morally irresponsible.

Their moral obligation is conflicting also I agree , but you say it's "Outright stupid and morally irresponsible" it's according to your view not their as they have made their choice.

See this more like another case of : two wrong won't never made a right .

[bikekil]

IF he personally (with no doubts ) decided to kill any single person, with no reason (note a cultural difference here. i think we should avoided judgung them by our laws), i'd say he don't deserve to live in peace till the rest of his days.
I'd let him decide - he's working for food in some hard place OR he's refusing to work and just dying because he recieves no food.
That way you can aviod paying for the criminals (your taxes can be used in better ways).

that applies to everyone, not just Saddam... anyway that's the way i see it

[OIO]

"Their moral obligation is conflicting also I agree , but you say it's "Outright stupid and morally irresponsible" it's according to your view not their as they have made their choice.

See this more like another case of : two wrong won't never made a right ."

Gawd you are SO French


The way i see it,  anyone who refuses to testify in a crime is as responsible as the criminal in the matter.

granted, other 'experts' can be called on to do the job, but those who refused to help the TRUTH come out are simply helping the criminal cover up his crime.

[Furball]

I don't think they should kill saddam, that may just make him a martyr.  Lock him up and let him rot in jail, i doubt he will live too much longer anyway.

The inspectors should be allowed to make their own decision on the matter, and that decision should be respected.