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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2004, 02:51:48 PM »
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Washington—Today, the National Stonewall Democratic Federation, the national organization of gay and lesbian Democrats, applauded the ruling of the Texas Fourteenth Court of Appeals that struck down the state’s anti-gay sodomy law that was strongly supported by Gov. George W. Bush.

In 1998, the Houston police arrested two men for having sex in the privacy of their own home. They were held in jail for over 24 hours before being released on bond. Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund represented the two men in a county criminal court, which refused to dismiss the charges on constitutional ground and found the men guilty as charged. Lambda appealed the case to the 14th Court of Appeals.

Justices on the Courts of Appeals in Texas are elected by voters in the state, and the three justice panel hearing this appeal ruled that the Texas sodomy law "violates the Texas Equal Rights Amendment’s guarantee of equality under the law" by making the same behavior criminal "for some but not for others, based solely on the sex of the individuals who engage in the behavior."

The Texas sodomy law criminalizes private consensual sexual activity between same-sex adult couples. Texas is one of a handful of states that singles out gay people by banning adult sexual intimacy only between people of the same sex. Gov. George W. Bush has publicly supported the sodomy law, calling it a "symbol of traditional values" and said that he would veto any attempt to overturn the law legislatively. The state Republican Party platform also explicitly opposes the decriminalization of sodomy, stating that "the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society" and "contributes to the breakdown of the family unit."

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2004, 02:56:06 PM »
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OK rpm where does "discrimination against " fit in?

Because Gays want more rights than others and Bush is against that?

And don't give me the lame Liberal BS of "They want to be able to marry the person they love just like you".

They have the same rights I do. Marriage of a Man and a Woman!
There are LOTS of situations where they are discriminated. Health insurance and family law are 2 that come to mind.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2004, 03:09:20 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2004, 03:36:57 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2004, 05:10:16 PM »
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Since you won't admit it...source Results 1 - 10 of about 30,300 for Bush Sodomy Texas. (0.25 seconds)

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30,299 sources that do not prove your claim that:

"Bush is decidely anti-gay. He has a long history of being homophobic. "

again if we use "your" definition, we can sweep a lot of people into that category.  It is a silly broad based accusation without a trace of  merit.  

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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2004, 05:22:57 PM »
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30,299 sources that do not prove your claim that:

"Bush is decidely anti-gay. He has a long history of being homophobic. "

again if we use "your" definition, we can sweep a lot of people into that category.  It is a silly broad based accusation without a trace of  merit.  

google on

My definition? I believe it was Mighty1's definition. It also happened to be the US Supreme Court's definition as well. Ignoring the fact does not mean it has no merit.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2004, 05:55:18 PM »
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by Bryan Wildenthal,
Associate Professor of Law, Thomas Jefferson School of Law

In the 1994 governor’s race, George W. Bush (whom Mr. Carpenter now supports for President) chose to make an issue out of Richards’s support for decriminalizing gay sex. She maintained her support for decriminalization, but Bush declared (and has never recanted to this day) that he would veto any bill doing so, because it was important to keep on the books a "symbolic" statement against homosexuality. Bush’s gay-baiting doubtless contributed to his defeat of Richards. Bush is now governor, but has said nothing about the recent prosecution (noted by Mr. Carpenter) of two men for having sex in the privacy of their own home. Mr. Carpenter calls it "Richards’ law" but Bush is now the chief executive of the state which is prosecuting these men. He could pardon them at any time but has done nothing. Bush is leader of the Texas State Republican Party (does anyone believe he could not engineer anything he wanted in the local party which is his lapdog?) yet he has done nothing to stop (has not even spoken out against, other than a lame call to avoid "name calling") the state party banning even the conservative gay Log Cabin Republican group from having a booth at the state Republican convention.

Gov. Richards, by contrast, was the first (and remains the only) governor in Texas history to take consistently pro-gay stands on political issues. She was the first (and remains the only) Texas governor to appoint openly gay people to offices in her campaign and administration, including her protege and supporter Glen Maxey, now an openly gay state representative from Austin.

If Mr. Carpenter wants to oppose and attack Democrats and work for the election of a proven homophobe like George W. Bush, that’s his business. But it is outrageous, and verges on libelous falsehood, for him to knowingly misrepresent, as he has, the record of a great progressive Governor like Ann Richards.
A history of anti-gay policy since 1994. Enough merit yet?
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2004, 09:40:07 PM »
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There are LOTS of situations where they are discriminated. Health insurance and family law are 2 that come to mind.


Every health insurance app I have seen has a box for
SSP=same sex partner. So they can be covered. Can't do that for a live in girlfriend now can you?

If his daughter were a drug addict should he be for or against legalizing drugs?
 
The point is you can have a Gay child and not like it, or want to see laws passed to protect it.


And you still haven't show that GW is "phobic" afraid of Gays.
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2004, 11:15:54 PM »
JBA you are in Mass. It was one of the first states to allow SSP's(A Democrat backed issue). Yes, you can with a live in girlfriend as well. It's called common law marriage. For you to say that you would not want laws passed to protect your own child is either heartless or not thought thru thoroughly. Good God man.:confused:


The longer I thought about this the madder I got. If we are to suppose that gay children are not worthy of protection under the law, at what age do we apply this rule? 18, 14, 6? You know there was always that "Gay" kid when you were in school. Is he protected under the law? I mean, you know he's just gonna be a "queer" anyway, let's just hurry up the system and save some time. We could turn lives around. We could set up a program to ship them off so they won't be a family embarassment. A program just like the Texas sodomy law Bush swore to defend. Put them in jail. Subject them to assault and ridicule until they conform to what you think is acceptable behavior, or at least behavior subject to their parole. It's no wonder you don't think Bush is a homophobe. Landslide Bush, You know...for kids!
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