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Offline JBA

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« on: October 15, 2004, 12:00:06 PM »
Play it straight? Not Kerry
By Howie Carr
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Friday, October 15, 2004

John Kerry began his campaign running as a war hero, and he's ending it as Howard Stern.

     ``I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter,'' he said Wednesday night, ``who is a lesbian. . . .''

     Yes, but is she hot, Howard, er, Senator? Will she appear on the next segment of Lesbian Dating?

     But John Kerry [related, bio] is a liberal, so he can count on a free ride from his fellow Beautiful People on this cheap shot. His campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, went so far as to say the vice president's daughter is ``fair game.''

     Is this the same Mary Beth Cahill who began her career working for Barney Frank? Remember Barney's dear friend, Steve Gobie, aka Hot Bottom? If you mentioned the congressman was fixing parking tickets for his live-in male prostitute, that was ``homophobia.'' That was ``hate speech.''

     Mention a gay Republican, that's fair game.

     You're not supposed to talk about how Kerry won't release all his military records, or the fact that his billionaire wife won't release her tax returns, or the fact that he confessed, under oath, to being a war criminal.

     All that stuff is below the belt.

     Mary Cheney, though, is ``fair game.''

     God forbid Kerry should have mentioned Dick Gephardt's lesbian daughter Chrissy, or Gov. Jim McGreevey, who put his own personal Hot Bottom on the New Jersey state payroll for more than $100,000 a year.

     They're all untouchable. They're liberals. Mary Cheney campaigns for her father, so she's . . . fair game.

     Granted, Kerry didn't technically ``out'' her, but that doesn't matter with liberals. A number of years ago, I was the ``leader'' of a study group at Harvard - OK, it was Camelot High, the Institute of Politics. (A guy told me that once I had Harvard on my resume, I would no longer be regarded as a pariah. He was wrong.)

     Anyway, right before the five-week class started, I wrote a column about a bar owner - it was a gay bar, the guy lived on Appleton Street, wore a full-length fur coat and died of AIDS. The gays said I ``outed'' him.

     The first day I walked into the classroom, I had to cross a picket line. They were protesting me, for ``outing'' their friend.

     Do you think Sen. Kerry, or his running mate, John Edwards [related, bio], will face any picket lines in the days ahead?

     It's amazing how much you can get away with if you're a Democrat. If Bill O'Reilly had any sense, he would call a press conference to announce he's voting for Kerry - that would be the end of that story.

     Kerry gets the same free pass on everything. Following in Bill Clinton's footsteps, he slurred Italians, and as with his hero, it was a one-day story.

     Kerry calls his fellow Americans not countrymen, but ``countrypeople.'' But nobody mentions it. He says rights are ``given'' by the courts. He even admits, in answering the final question, that he is a gigolo.

     ``We all married up. Some might say me more than others. But I can take it.''

     Considering the alternative was sleeping in your car, and at the time you owned a convertible, you're damn right you could take it.

     And then there were those three final words from his mother as she lay dying.

     ``Integrity. Integrity. Integrity.''

     That wasn't just an admonition for him, it was a deathbed message for the voters about how far her son can be trusted. Just don't expect to read it in the mainstream media.
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 12:09:40 PM »
While I presonally do not agree with dragging family members (especially children) into political debates, Kerry illustrated Cheney was willing to sell his daughters happiness down the river over a right wing religious political agenda.

When you think about it, would you do the same or have an epiphany and support your child?
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 12:17:22 PM »
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Originally posted by rpm
While I presonally do not agree with dragging family members (especially children) into political debates, Kerry illustrated Cheney was willing to sell his daughters happiness down the river over a right wing religious political agenda.

When you think about it, would you do the same or have an epiphany and support your child?


Really? You know that Cheney's daughter is unhappy or even looking to get "married"? Or is this all slanderous supposition on your part?
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 12:24:54 PM »
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Originally posted by rpm
While I presonally do not agree with dragging family members (especially children) into political debates, Kerry illustrated Cheney was willing to sell his daughters happiness down the river over a right wing religious political agenda.

When you think about it, would you do the same or have an epiphany and support your child?


Just a reminder, Clinton signed the defense of marriage act not Bush.

BTW
Bush gave a reasonable answer to the debate question on a constitutional amendment.  he said that by having the states debate it more people will be involved in the process.  I think it is safe to say the amendment would pass easily based on the polls I have read.

Europeans correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that in some Euro countries you must still have a civil ceremony even if you have had a religious one for all the state benefits to be legal.  That sounds like a perfectly sensible compromise to me.

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 12:37:39 PM »
I thought this thread was going to be much more interesting than this.:(
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 12:45:47 PM »
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Really? You know that Cheney's daughter is unhappy or even looking to get "married"? Or is this all slanderous supposition on your part?
Dick Cheney said he believes in civil unions but supports the President. He's between a rock and a hard place. Bush is decidely anti-gay. He has a long history of being homophobic.

Krusher, I don't support any law that segregates. No matter who signs it. And I agree that this is a state's rights issue.

This is just smear/countersmear over a relatively minor issue. If the situation was reversed the Republicans would have fired the first salvo. Smoke and mirrors to distract from more important domestic issues and polarize splinter groups of voters.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 12:55:46 PM »
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Bush is decidely anti-gay. He has a long history of being homophobic.




Thats just nonsense.  You couldn't prove it with a week of googling.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 01:46:57 PM »
I just love how liberals use the word Homophobic to describe anyone who doesn't support gays.

Just because someone dosn't think a guy should pack fudge with another guy means he a Homophobe.

Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
- ho·mo·pho·bic  /-'fO-bik/ adjective
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 02:15:44 PM »
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Thats just nonsense.  You couldn't prove it with a week of googling.
LOL I don't have to Google. I live in Texas and have a memory. He supported the Texas Sodomy Law that was struck down by the Supreme Court. The law that would have made Cheney's daughter a criminal. If you want specific quotes, yeah...I can Google you some or you can do it yourself. "Bush Sodomy Texas" ought to work. Let me know what you found.
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 02:18:55 PM »
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I just love how liberals use the word Homophobic to describe anyone who doesn't support gays.

Just because someone dosn't think a guy should pack fudge with another guy means he a Homophobe.

Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
- ho·mo·pho·bic  /-'fO-bik/ adjective
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2004, 02:22:08 PM »
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While I presonally do not agree with dragging family members (especially children) into political debates, Kerry illustrated Cheney was willing to sell his daughters happiness down the river over a right wing religious political agenda.

When you think about it, would you do the same or have an epiphany and support your child?


You do not have to agree with your children's behavior in order to love and support them.  You do not even have to give up your personal mores.  All you must do is love and support them.

This is a quite common trait in parents.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2004, 02:22:36 PM »
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LOL I don't have to Google. I live in Texas and have a memory. He supported the Texas Sodomy Law that was struck down by the Supreme Court. The law that would have made Cheney's daughter a criminal. If you want specific quotes, yeah...I can Google you some or you can do it yourself. "Bush Sodomy Texas" ought to work. Let me know what you found.


By your definition Clinton is a homophobe for signing the DOMA in to law.

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2004, 02:29:24 PM »
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Krusher, I don't support any law that segregates. No matter who signs it. And I agree that this is a state's rights issue.
 

What did that Google search turn up Krusher? Keep pace with the discussion.
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2004, 02:37:16 PM »
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For those with A.D.D.
What did that Google search turn up Krusher? Keep pace with the discussion.


Like I said you can't prove your assertion that bush is anti-gay or a homophobe. The law your hiding behind was made by a democratic legislature and signed into law under a democratic governor, not bush. Being a Texan you should know that without googling, but feel free to look it up.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2004, 02:49:58 PM »
OK rpm where does "discrimination against " fit in?

Because Gays want more rights than others and Bush is against that?

And don't give me the lame Liberal BS of "They want to be able to marry the person they love just like you".

They have the same rights I do. Marriage of a Man and a Woman!
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