Author Topic: prediction for 2015 (or sooner) (Read 1138 times)

Lizking · « **Reply #15 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:17:39 PM »

I found some stats, but I won't bother posting much because you do not care to learn anyway. The known population of foriegn born in Travis county is 15%(not inclusing children), with a 127% increase since 1990. Of course most illegals do not get counted in the census, so you can safely double that.

rpm · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:18:16 PM »

Yes, I have 2 primary languages. Me habla espanol y ingles. Any other languages would not be primary. My point being you can't judge their immigration status by the language they speak. You were trying to say earlier that you thought out of the 20-25% uninsured 80-85% of those were illegals. Since I have to explain your own thoughts theres not much point in continuing, is there?

Lizking · « **Reply #17 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:22:08 PM »

Well, I searched, but as you can imagine these are not easy numbers to find. The ones I found prove that it is significant, and at least equal to the lower end of my guess. Unless, of course, you do not trust the US Census as a source?

rpm · « **Reply #18 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:33:35 PM »

I would not dispute the fact that there is a significant number of illegals in Austin and the numbers grow the further south you go. That is a fact.
I would also say most of those illegals are employed. That is a fact.
I would also say most of those employed are uninsured. That is a fact.
I would also say most of their employers are not paying proper taxes. That is a fact.
I would also say most of their employers are legal citizens. That is a theory.

Lizking · « **Reply #19 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:43:48 PM »

And I would agree with all of those points except the last. Again, I have personal knowledge in the area, and I would say that most illegals work for other illegals. Not by much, but more than 50%.

Typical scenario:

Jose comes to the US and gets a job as a laborer in the masonry trade, even though he is a skilled mason. He works hard, saves a little money and makes some contacts, then goes into business for himself. It is out of his pickup, of course, and he is a sub for legal companies, but he is a business man. He recruits and even pays to bring in more illegals and employs them. No taxes, no workmans comp, just cash on the barrelhead. By my educated guess in the Central Texas area, 90% of new homes are built with this form of illegal business and illegal aliens.

rpm · « **Reply #20 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:46:01 PM »

And is Jose building houses for illegals or US citizens? They are the employer.

Lizking · « **Reply #21 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:49:13 PM »

No they are building them for legal home builders. Also, there is no shortage of legal masons, but the price that the illegals will work for is about 30% below what it should be, so they have conceded the market to them and do commercial and municipal work only, because stricter documentation is required.

rpm · « **Reply #22 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:55:33 PM »

So it is the homeowners fault for hiring illegals in the first place. Sure, it's OK break the law when YOU get to save a few bucks. You just put another LEGAL mason out of work and he lost his insurance. You made it possible for the illegal to stay in Austin. Because he has no insurance he goes to the ER with the uninsured legal citizen, too. See where I'm going with this?

Lizking · « **Reply #23 on:** October 15, 2004, 03:58:32 PM »

Don't blame the victim. They are here illegally. Anything beyond that is spin.

rpm · « **Reply #24 on:** October 15, 2004, 04:03:17 PM »

The victim? You know as well as I (and you even stated) the homeowners hired the illegals because they were cheaper. If a guy shoots himself in the foot, is he really a victim?

Oh, and it's not spin so much as it's a vicious cycle.

Lizking · « **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2004, 04:04:22 PM »

Homeowners do not build their own homes. It is American companies subcontracting the work.

rpm · « **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2004, 04:06:45 PM »

The legals are hiring the illegals. At that point anything else is a direct result. They came here looking for work. No work? They move on.

Lizking · « **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2004, 04:10:13 PM »

I agree.

Kirin · « **Reply #28 on:** October 15, 2004, 06:00:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Goth
Nurses have a great deal of knowledge and probably handle about 90% of the doctors load, which makes you wonder why the doctors earn the amount they do. Are nurses trained too much and should doctors handle more of the load? That is the true question.

Beeing a physician myself I appreciate a well trained nurse more than anything else. It's true that they have a tremendous workload but they are not doing my job. Experienced nurses can help young doctors to focus on common problems and warn them on pitfalls but in the end it's the doctors responsability. Don't judge our workload by the things you observe as a patient. In todays medical practise the actual time at the patient is the smallest part of the work - sadly. Especially working in a medical clinic, as I do now, paperwork is the most time consuming act. Today you have to document every little bits and tads - it's really frustrating sometimes.

I work around 60 hours a week (more than the average hours for a employee) and earn just about the average pay. Plus I have studied for 6 years. I think that my workload and wages are appropriate.

In Switzerland emergency medical care still is a gov affaire and it puts hospitals at the edge of ruin. But that's the cost for saving lifes. How much is a life worth? Do 10 failed resusciations make up for 1 successful? Easy question if the 1 is close to you.

What is your health worth? Quality and span of life have increased steadily. Today people with serious diseases like Diabetes melliuts Typ I or Cystic fibrosis can live a (almost) normal life whereas they'd died at child age 50 years ago.

Do we need high tech equipment and expensive screening methods that require 100 examined patients to find 1 carcinoma in early, treatable stage? Easy if it's found in your body.

Personally I think health care is worth spending your money on. Why spend billions of dollars on military when the risk of dieing from a cardiovascular event is a million times higher than dieing from a terrorist attack?

Sandman · « **Reply #29 on:** October 16, 2004, 01:00:13 AM »

Hmmm... why do they not teach the concept of personal triage to high school students?

Hell... there's a life skill for ya... Knowing when it is the right time to go to the emergency room, or the urgent care, or make an appointment for later.

These are things that some of us seem to learn with experience, but this should be taught in high school.