Author Topic: prediction for 2015 (or sooner) (Read 1039 times)

Lizking · « **Reply #30 on:** October 16, 2004, 01:03:08 AM »

Sandman, take the Medicboy challenge. Visit 3 ER's near you. Just walk in and look aroud, won't take but a minute.

senna · « **Reply #31 on:** October 16, 2004, 01:09:39 AM »

They over charge like anything in medicine. I went to an ER not too long ago. Motorcycle accident with a car. I was fine and dandy but no, the ambulance guy made me lay on that surfboard. Then they wheeled me into ER and put me on the table. I told them I was fine but they cut my (ALL) clothes off and poured hydrogen peroxide all over me. Dam that hurt. Then the scubbed off my dead skin. Like ouch! All the while pouring hydrogen peroxide on me. And I was ok, not hurt. Not a broken bone. Then a few weeks later they sent a 1875 dollar bill home. Thanks alot. you know why they did this. This did this so I could sue the guy that hit me with his car. LOL!

Sandman · « **Reply #32 on:** October 16, 2004, 01:09:55 AM »

Hmmm.... I think I agree with him.

senna · « **Reply #33 on:** October 16, 2004, 01:24:58 AM »

I suppose its easy to complain and its probably better that they provide the service but +1800 bucks is alot of money. Alot of other people who are less fortunate rely on the professional service they provide. Ok Im stuck with the bill [/complaint]

Suave · « **Reply #34 on:** October 16, 2004, 02:40:34 AM »

Nurses underpaid ?
Four years of college to work in an enviornment with a work tempo similar to a fast food place minus the blood and excrement and watching people die, except that instead of being responsible for someones fries your responsible for their life. Have a bad day at work and you may be exlaining it to a judge. And just because you graduate doesn't mean you have what it takes. I've seen a few new nurses flip out, and in a couple of cases literally go crazy, and even worse. And you think 40-80k is too much? Like working 16 hour shifts? I just finished a 32 hour day with one.

Suave · « **Reply #35 on:** October 16, 2004, 02:49:24 AM »

Kirin get me a job in your country

LePaul · « **Reply #36 on:** October 16, 2004, 04:07:42 AM »

Intriguing topic

So what does one do? Turn away the illegals? Is that what it will finally take? There are few rewards for legal immigration, it seems more and more, those that come here illegally gain all the perks.

Gee, stupid me has been paying for my insurance.

rpm · « **Reply #37 on:** October 16, 2004, 09:28:56 AM »

The only times I went to the ER they made sure they got their money. True, it was not a big city trauma unit. It was the only hospital for 60 miles. I remember the lady in the Decatur Community Hospital buisness office telling me they would not operate on my pregnant wife to remove a cyst the size of a kidney that was about to burst until I forked over a $2000 cash down payment. Oh yeah, they botched the operation.

Goth · « **Reply #38 on:** October 17, 2004, 12:48:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Kirin
Beeing a physician myself I appreciate a well trained nurse more than anything else. It's true that they have a tremendous workload but they are not doing my job. Experienced nurses can help young doctors to focus on common problems and warn them on pitfalls but in the end it's the doctors responsability. Don't judge our workload by the things you observe as a patient. In todays medical practise the actual time at the patient is the smallest part of the work - sadly. Especially working in a medical clinic, as I do now, paperwork is the most time consuming act. Today you have to document every little bits and tads - it's really frustrating sometimes.

I work around 60 hours a week (more than the average hours for a employee) and earn just about the average pay. Plus I have studied for 6 years. I think that my workload and wages are appropriate.

In Switzerland emergency medical care still is a gov affaire and it puts hospitals at the edge of ruin. But that's the cost for saving lifes. How much is a life worth? Do 10 failed resusciations make up for 1 successful? Easy question if the 1 is close to you.

What is your health worth? Quality and span of life have increased steadily. Today people with serious diseases like Diabetes melliuts Typ I or Cystic fibrosis can live a (almost) normal life whereas they'd died at child age 50 years ago.

Do we need high tech equipment and expensive screening methods that require 100 examined patients to find 1 carcinoma in early, treatable stage? Easy if it's found in your body.

Personally I think health care is worth spending your money on. Why spend billions of dollars on military when the risk of dieing from a cardiovascular event is a million times higher than dieing from a terrorist attack?

I have to agree, health care people work hard, in school and after. Little praise garnered other than going home and knowing that you are human too and have done the best you can.

You know...this is one of those hard arguments. Before I bow out and agree with a lot that has been said in praise of health care personnel I have to bite one more time.

Sadly, without war, there would not have been some pretty amazing advances in medicine. Oh...they might have happened anyway, but how many years would it have taken to learn trauma care without war.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #39 on:** October 17, 2004, 01:03:01 AM »

Some of the bad press might be a ploy. Blued Cross has recently put a stop to the huge increase in price of health care. A lot of HMO's and hospitals have went on the offensive, and one hospital in my area has stopped accepting Blue Cross. Its time insurance companies stop the idiotic price increases in health care. As was mentioned in the debates, consumers of health care are usually third parties - there is no quantity and demand dynamic. You have no say so how much your insurance pays for medical services - you are out of the loop. Its an unregulated monopoly with price fixing.

Its going to get ugly, but it has to. Hospitals are bussinesses and have been taking full advantage of their monopoly over the past 20 years. They're not going to give it up easily, and are going to plant some very scary stories. The health care industry is one of the largest and fastest growing in the US. It shouldn't be a monopoly, and right now, it is.

Kirin · « **Reply #40 on:** October 17, 2004, 01:05:31 AM »

While it is true that, as u said, tremendous achievments have been made especially in traumatic life support during the last two world wars one shouldn't be proud of it. But as it happens we cannot "un-learn" things. Hypothermic surgery protocols as been used in todays heart surgery are based upon the experiments done to concentration camps captives. We cannot deny what has been found with these unethical cruelties. We accept it for the good of our patients now.

War might be the father of all things but still it's no desirable whatever advancements it brings...

Gunslinger · « **Reply #41 on:** October 17, 2004, 01:54:12 AM »

I still fail to comprehend how turning a beurocratic (medicine) mess over to another beurocratic mess (our lovely Govt.) and expect huge drastic changes.

I hate goin to the Emerg. room bleeding like a stuck pig or in pain with a broken limb about to pass out and I have to wait in line because somone else has to use this facility as their primary care and all they have is the flu.

The Idea of community clinics has been sudjested once or twice in the current election.

AND making it so small business can pool money to buy insurence at the discounted rates that large corporations do.

This sounds nice to me. Add some tort reform and you're on your way to some real changes.

You can top it off even more by investigating pharmacuticals....they're becoming a greedy money grubbing organization who's lost track of what medicine is really supposed to do.

rpm · « **Reply #42 on:** October 17, 2004, 03:20:03 AM »

Gunslinger, you are totally dismissing the fact they have triage for just that situation. In the ER it is not 1st come 1st served, it's most emergent cases 1st, everybody else later.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #43 on:** October 17, 2004, 03:35:36 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Gunslinger, you are totally dismissing the fact they have triage for just that situation. In the ER it is not 1st come 1st served, it's most emergent cases 1st, everybody else later.

and what happens when they are all full up with, for the sake of argument lets just call them flu patients, which taxes there ability to care for others.

Then you go back to the cost issues. These "flu patients" can be seen and heald by a regular physician for a whole lot less than an ER room.

Heck....even minor stiches can be done elsewhere. Don't get me wrong I'm no expert, I've been banged up a time or too and I am fortunate that the Govt. pays for 100% of ALL my medical needs. Just seems to me an ineffiecient way to run things from an outside perspective of course.

Rolex · « **Reply #44 on:** October 17, 2004, 07:10:02 AM »

Health insurance costs in the U.S. have increased 50% in the last 3 years. Americans pay approximately $4-5,000 more per year for health care than those in other developed countries and have no better medical care to show for it.

I'm of the opinion that civilized societies should consider some services beyond police, highways and sewage treatment as essential infrastructure items.

America is a mature, wealthy and developed nation. It is a national travesty and embarrassment that other countries are able to offer more affordable health care, even if it doesn't break even on the balance sheet all the time.

What is a greater priority for running a deficit other than reasonably affordable health care for the taxpayers in a society?