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Plane I Would like to see #2 (Hs 129 article)
« on: October 15, 2004, 05:14:15 PM »
and folks whining about the ju87g killing tanks...Uh - hello? 75 MMs :)







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Plane I Would like to see #2 (Hs 129 article)
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 05:14:49 PM »



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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 06:01:38 PM »
You can get HT into trouble posting full pages of copy righted material. A few other BBS were shut down for posting such things.

For that matter unsourced images can do the same and as well as documents.

Just because you have a copy doesn't mean your own the rights.

Besides that the Hs 129 adds nothing to the game. Its slow, under powered and will be a death trap.

If we prioritize our suggestions based on what is need for ToD and not things that just seem 'cool' HTC maybe more encouraged to fill gaps in the planeset leading to a better level of gameplay (at least for ToD).  Just look what they are running for a late '43 ETO in the CT this week.

For instance HT has said the 1st tod theater will be a western ETO 8th AF set up.

The B24 fits in well.

What else do we need to make a good ETO?

Early variants of the P38, Early Variants of the P47 (C model?) A later war Spit 9.

190A-6 or 7

A G-14 ...

For the Eastern Front the whole of the VVS AF is just about missing.

Not to mention the Paciific.

I think to be helpful each of us can look at our favorites and decide how they help the game not just ourselves.

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 06:11:18 PM »
Wotan - "help the game than help ourselves"..lmao.


The game "needs" alot of stuff...

Over 800 hs 129 were produced, just because it you think "it doesn't add anything to the game" doesn't make it a viable plane, or one that others think would be a viable plane. They were doing what they were designed for - killing tanks up untill the end of the war. Produced in fair numbers and different versions.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 06:32:35 PM »
I know all about Hs 129, it will still be a pointless addition and not improve gameplay at all.

It adds nothing for ToD.

It wont add anything toward toward the CT and events.

It wont even be used that much in the main because they are any number aircraft better suited to tank busting. Event the Il2 and Hurri 2d dont get used that.

It will be a hangar queen.

We are better off with early 38s, early jugs etc...

If you cant see that its because you are blinded by your own 'wants'. I never flew allied planes in AH. Never flew a 38. But I can see that its needed. Far more so then the Hs-129. It took 4+ plus years to get the planeset AH has now. There's no need to clutter up the planeset with useless aircraft.

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 06:36:29 PM »
not bothering commenting....

sounds as if you have your own agenda.

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 06:39:12 PM »
You make a post suggesting a plane and I counter with my opinion.

Some agenda...

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 06:54:43 PM »
Look      

 - this is going off on the wrong foot. The reason I posted these articles is , number 1 - they're are good reading for the aviation historian. 2 - also out of print - 3 - as other options instead of more 38s, p47s, ju87s... ect..

Honestly, I would like to see more pre/early war planes in here. Heck even a ms406, Polikarpov i-153, Arsenal VG-33, Fairey Firefly and Barracuda, maybe a Halifax  , RE2001.. even a p36 Hawk.


Yes, I would love to see more early birds in here...and some of the lesser know birds that were fighting before the US joined the War and before we were sending over p51's.


If there is an official ok from the publisher, i will post more of these out of print articles for discussion / information purposes only.

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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 06:56:27 PM »
"Not popular with its pilots, the Hs 129 was underpowered, unhandy and unreliable, the last fault of the engines"

from Mike Spick: Luftwaffe Bomber Aces, Greenhill Books 2001, ISBN 1-85367-444-3, p. 231.

That's the most recent book I've read on them, lots of other books give that info too. But they were used mostly on the Russian front (with the BK 3.7, some units with the 75mm Pak 40L?), I'd much rather see some other planes added first.
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 07:33:09 PM »
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Look      

 - this is going off on the wrong foot. The reason I posted these articles is , number 1 - they're are good reading for the aviation historian. 2 - also out of print - 3 - as other options instead of more 38s, p47s, ju87s... ect..

Honestly, I would like to see more pre/early war planes in here. Heck even a ms406, Polikarpov i-153, Arsenal VG-33, Fairey Firefly and Barracuda, maybe a Halifax  , RE2001.. even a p36 Hawk.


Yes, I would love to see more early birds in here...and some of the lesser know birds that were fighting before the US joined the War and before we were sending over p51's.


If there is an official ok from the publisher, i will post more of these out of print articles for discussion / information purposes only.


It was a great read. My point in cautioning you is that there have been other BBS's threatened with legal action and boards closed as a result of posting copyrighted material with out permission.

 Second suppose another fellow comes along and sees this (which you may or may not have permission to post in full) and decides to scan some of his books, then some one else does. It opens the door for all sorts of issues. That's why I made my post in both your Hs-129 thread and the Mig 3 thread so others would see it.

I would like all ww2 era planes to be modeled but we need to be serious. Understanding that it has taken 4 years to get where AH is today I think there are more 'important' or more 'needed' aircraft then say a p36 Hawk.

With ToD on the way the current holes in the plane set will get more attention as HT tries to put together theaters .If HT’s goal is to attract a new type of customer toward ToD then we need to understand that folks who are more inclined to this type of game structure aren’t going to hang around very long if every theater is some make believe set up using incorrect planes from various eras.

An early 38, even though I will never fly it, makes more sense in terms of what it adds to ToD and to events and the CT. As I said just look what the CT has to do to run a '43 setup. It needs to use all '44 US planes.

So I am not saying never model the Hs-129, hell I would fly it, but I just think there are large holes in the plane set that have a direct impact on the type of game play we all want from ToD and events and in the CT.

I was not crapping on you suggestion just to start a flame war. I just wanted to show that even though some planes maybe boring (another 38 for 1) we still need it far more then a plane like the Hs-129.


YMMV :p

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2004, 03:46:44 AM »
shut up wotan

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2004, 07:53:22 AM »
I'd much rather have a Me410 with a few weapon configurations.

7 210 mm Rockets

2 37 mm (Same guns as the Ju87G I think)

1 50 mm (Same gun as Me 262 I think)

Much better performance and look then Ju87 or Hs129 too.

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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2004, 11:56:35 AM »
I always thought the Hs129 looks like a duck.  That head on pic looks like it's going to scream AFLAC!!!!!!!! any second. :D
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2004, 12:07:07 PM »
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shut up wotan


Yep.  Be a fun plane to fly and do some tank bustin in.

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2004, 12:19:57 PM »
woohoo!! a plane you cant see out of!!

why not close your eyes, spawn a panzer and fire the 75mm in that (or whatever the hell it is).  you can pretend you are in a Hs129!!

Or jump off a cliff in one, it would probably fly better too..
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