Unit refuses mission

[Kev367th]

Lol.
Well one of the women phones home to her Mum saying help me they are holding us against our will.
Well DUH, you are in the military, you refused a lawfull order, deal with the consequences.

[SunTracker]

Easy to act tough 7000 miles from the action.

[VOR]

They'll let anybody in these days.

[john9001]

"""The mission was ultimately carried out by other soldiers from the 343rd, which has at least 120 soldiers, the military said. """


i think the members of the 343rd that bravely carried out the "sucide mission" should all be awarded silver stars for gallentry in the face of extreme danger.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Lol.
Well one of the women phones home to her Mum saying help me they are holding us against our will.
Well DUH, you are in the military, you refused a lawfull order, deal with the consequences.

thats the story as it stands today. i wouldnt make any judgements on this until at least four weeks have gone by so you can see what the real story finally turns out to be.

[Kev367th]

Suntracker - I spent 9 years in the British Army, 4 of them in Northern Ireland, and was in Gulf War round 1.
So not a question of acting tough, I think I can comment on it.

You disobey a lawfull order, you pay the consequences.

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Suntracker - I spent 9 years in the British Army, 4 of them in Northern Ireland, and was in Gulf War round 1.

hats off to you. if it wasnt a reserve unit id be leaning your way. but in my opinion if reserve unit more of a chance that element was given orders by someone unaware of reality of situation. even if that only means five percent chance that thats the case the real story will be out sooner than later.

[rpm]

Way too early to make a reasonable decision here. On the surface it looks bad, very bad. Refusing a lawfull order can get you a firing squad. But from the reports I've seen there are some mitigating circumstances.

The JP had already been refused due to contamination. The OIC ordered them to deliver the same fuel to another base. The convoy suppossedly had no armored escort and was going into a known hostile area. The soldiers also noted the unsafe operating condition of the trucks. If all these are true it looks to me that the OIC may have overlooked safety in order to complete the mission. If all of these are not true it appears to be a breakdown in discipline and morale.

If the latter is the case, this is a bigger scandal than Abu Ghrab. It will need a thorough and complete investigation. The fact they have released the soldiers from confinement and stood down the unit for emergency maintence tells me there is much more to this story than has been leaked.

[Maverick]

Way too early and too little info to really have a firm idea of what actually went on. Wait until there has been more released and not just a sensationalized single source account.

[ramzey]

deserters
on field of battle only one punishment
shame on them

[SunTracker]

These guys just want a fighting chance.  Homemade armored and unarmored trucks, driving the same routes each time, and riding next to 50,000 gallons of fuel is a recipe for disaster.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by SunTracker
These guys just want a fighting chance.  Homemade armored and unarmored trucks, driving the same routes each time, and riding next to 50,000 gallons of fuel is a recipe for disaster.

They need to follow orders. They may well have put other lives at risk.

Not saying it's all a field day in Iraq.

[rpm]

Originally posted by ramzey
deserters
on field of battle only one punishment
shame on them

Ramsey, it is WAY too early to make a statement like that. Also, they did not desert, they refused a direct order. Now we need to determine if it was a lawful order under the circumstances. It's gonna take some time and more than the bits and pieces of info we have now.

[ramzey]

soldier duty is not allways nice and fun
somone else complete this mission without problems
they refuse it, its cowardnes in face of enemy

[Raubvogel]

My Unit never refuses a mission, no matter how sticky it might get