Author Topic: Again.. the Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8, and the Fw190D-9 (Read 1377 times)

Wotan · « **Reply #15 on:** October 20, 2004, 02:37:09 PM »

The A-8 as modelled in AH doesn't have all that 'armor'.

I dunno what you ll are talking about really. Stall limiter and 'pig'...?

Checking my stats in tour 53 I came back for just a few weeks and went 91 and 15 in the A-8 after not flying it for almost a couple of years. I never went above about 12-13k.

I was 21 and 4 in the A-5 in that same tour.

I had only 34 hours that tour (just enough to decide AH2 gameplay is not for me.) I am at best modiocre.

Before that the last tour I flew as 'wotan' was tour 36.

I had a brielf return as 'Batz' form tour 32 to 38 and have no A-8 sorties during that time. I flew the G-6 almost exclusively during that time.

Lightened up the A-8 and in AH2 I found the it almost the same as the A-5.

I have seen my ex squadmates run up incredible K/D in the A-8.

I guess we have different experiences with it.

I only ever flew with 2 x20mm 75 or 50 and a dt fuel. I would keep the 13 mm but in events I would always dump it.

With the 2 x 20mm it has the same load out as the D-9 and I flew the A-5 the same way. MGFF/Type 99 MK 1 in AH are worthless. The MGFF in the A-5 is not worth the weight gain. It adds no lethality.

YMMV

senna · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2004, 02:59:01 PM »

Wotan is correct in his posts above. Basicly the A8 is an A7 with C3 or GM1 boost capability however C3 was the more common method. With C3 injection on, fuel burn rate greatly increased. The A7,8 had the A6 wings. The only default armor was the same as on the A5 which was an armored cowl ring around the oil cooler and plates behind the pilot. Take 75% fuel to match 100% on the A5. Reset your armament for the mission. In AH1 I always took 100% fuel and all the guns though. Then again my combat weight was probably compensated because I often flew long ranges to get to where I wanted to go.

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2004, 03:58:28 PM »

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I have seen my ex squadmates run up incredible K/D in the A-8

Yep is sure is a killer if flown right, and BTW you seem pretty good in it yourself, as 91 and 15 is a pretty impressive k/d

So far this month I am about the same with 101/9 in the A8. ButI do not consider myself to be a very good stick. I just kind of hunt when I am in the arena

Urchin · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2004, 11:40:58 AM »

It really depends on how you fly it. The A5 isn't all that "nimble" really, but it is noticeably more manueverable than the D9 or A8.

The A5 has good acceleration and climb rate with WEP on (it's around 4k FPM low), the A8 doesn't. Climb rate and acceleration with the A8 are mediocre at best.

I've always found the 109 to be better for my style of fighting, and the 190 to be better for a more strict Boom N Zoom type fighting... you can have a lot of success in the D9 staying fast and BnZ'ing any number of lower cons. The only caveat is you can't let them get up to your speed/altitude like you can in the 109.. because the 109 can climb out of trouble, the D9 can't.

Actually the A8 seems to have gotten better in AH2, in my opinion. I think the D9 got worse, but I never really did like it that much anyway.

Flyboy · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2004, 06:37:05 PM »

IMO the a5 is much batter then the A8
i usually take 75% or only 50% plus a DT and only 2 cannons.
allso i dump around 2 thirds of my MG ammo since those are simply BB guns and adds little to no affect.

i fly the A5 very agresively, and the best tactic is just to surprise the enemy with an aggresive turn, and to know when to disengage.
a fast A5 can turn with a spit for a short time.

my stats from lest tour (56) 66kills and 8 deaths
in the current tour: 18kills and 1 death

btw is there a way to check how many sorties i did in each plane type?

Lazerus · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2004, 04:59:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
I am at best modiocre.

Funniest damn thing I've read all night:p

Charge · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2004, 07:28:54 AM »

"It rolls almost as fast as the Dora."

?? ??

Shouldn't the A series have a slightly better rollrate than D series?

-C+

Crumpp · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2004, 10:54:58 AM »

There are lots of myths out there about the FW-190A.

If you do a search for the FW-190 you will see some of these myths explained.

Kweassa is correct. The FW-190A8 should be the more nimble version of jagd-einsatz's when comparing the FW-190A5.

The full combat weight differences between the FW-190A5 jagd-einsatz's and the FW-190A8 jagd-einsatz's are:

FW-190A5 - 4106kg's

FW-190A8 - 4272kg's

This assumes full fuel, full ammo, a 100kg pilot (w/o equipment) and adds in the winterization kit with full oil load for the kit.

The armour was exactly the same for the two planes.

The FW-190A8 BMW-801D2 motor develops 1900PS at FTH in a derated motor and 2100PS in a rated motor. Only jagd-einsatz's used rated motors.

The FW-190A5 BMW-801D2 develops 1700PS in a derated motor and 1800PS in a rated motor at FTH.

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Shouldn't the A series have a slightly better roll rate than D series?

Yes it should. The Dora rolls very well but not quite as fast as the FW-190A series. The Dora turns better than the FW-190A series. It was lighter than the FW-190A8 and developed 2250PS at FTH with MW-50. The majority of Dora's were equipped with MW-50 by the end of the war. The Dora also had even less drag than the A series.

I will be gone for the next few weeks. Doing some traveling in order to further research my book.

Crumpp

Meyer · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2004, 02:36:07 PM »

why the D9 should have a worst roll rate than a 190A?

Crumpp · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2004, 03:19:53 PM »

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why the D9 should have a worst roll rate than a 190A?

That is a good question Meyer. Only thing I can think of is when the CG was adjusted it increased the stick forces in the rolling plane for the Dora.

Nevertheless, the reduction in roll rate is noted both in Allied tests and Luftwaffe accounts. Understand too that the frise ailerons produce a rather wide margin of performance and that the pilot was capable of choosing from several different ailerons with different performance curves to mount on his aircraft.

Crumpp

Charge · « **Reply #25 on:** October 24, 2004, 04:09:32 PM »

"why the D9 should have a worst roll rate than a 190A?"

Pulling it out of hat I'd suggest that maybe the blunt nose of A series makes them aerodynamically a bit more unstable which could cause this. Am I completely wrong but don't the A and D series have also a different camshaft placing when looked from side? The other has its camshaft in more optimal angle to the CoG to assist in rolling? Dunno...

-C+