Teaching Relegion in School...isn't that not allowed?

[Gunslinger]

Well what about 141 years?

That's when slavery was abolished in the US!  Sure I can "understand" it and all but it still doesnt make it right.  

A black person commiting a crime against a white person simply because he's white is still a hate crime.....any way you look at it.  There is no excuse for it, there is no way to justify it.  

I am not a white guy who feels guilty cause of what my ancestors may have done.  I know it happened and I accept it but don't approve of it.  To me equality means equal......not just equal if your hands or clean.....or your skins a certain color....or if you have a specific ancestory.  Even if it's black on white crime by law its still a hate crime.

EDIT:

Listin to yourself tweaty.....your trying to justify discrimination because a group had it bad at one point in time in history.

Going by that standard the Irish should own NYC and the Indians should own most of the midwest.

[TweetyBird]

Yea slavery was abolished 141 years ago, but institutionalized racism was abolished about 40 years ago. Believe it or not, blacks get prosecuted for hate crimes, and all crimes - just look at the demographics of prison population. I guarantee you they are not getting off.

No one should feel guilty of what our ancestors did - we had no control over it. The only thing we need feel guilty about is refusing to recognize the effects 300 years of dehumanization can have on a people.

I'm not justifying discrimination. I'm trying to point out the folly of a fat oxycontin addicted Floridian educated by "word power" who makes his living being loud and stupid.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
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I'm not justifying discrimination.  

Yes you are...

"That because most white christian republicans have no history of being biatched slapped for most of their history. Get it now?

Frankly I believe a few need it."

You are clearly calling for racial violence here... If thats not racism or discrimination then nothing is...

[TweetyBird]

No I'm not. I think all races ought to slap the loud stupid people who want to paint sociological problems as intrinsic flaws of a certain race. That ain't racism, just a lack of patience for stupidity.
I'd do it but I'm Irish. I don't get violent till I get drunk - wakes and weddings

[GRUNHERZ]

So yiu are saying "most white christan republicans" have the intrinsic problem of attributing failings to groups of people based on their race, ethinicvity or religion?

Uhmmm excuse me here tweety, yiu are doing the exact same thing...

[Gunslinger]

EXAMPLE:

on most TV and radio you can say the word "cracker" wich to me is a racial slur towards white people.....I even hear "honkey" all the time.


But say "spic" or "N-ger" or any other types of racial slurs directed at so called "minoritys" and all hell breaks loose.

Look at the ransacking of republican campagn headquaters through out the US.  Is this not a hate crime?  If this were a rainbow coalition HQ or something I KNOW it would be.

tweety you proven my point.  If you are White, Republican, and/or Christian descrimination standards do not apply to you.

[TweetyBird]

>>If you are White, Republican, and/or Christian descrimination standards do not apply to you.
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Well you can leave out party affiliation because you will have an uphill battle claiming some grand Republican descrimination. but white Christians do have a different discrimination standard, simply because they have no great history of being dehumanized.

Things in the real world are seldom tit for tat. The histories are completely different.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>If you are White, Republican, and/or Christian descrimination standards do not apply to you.
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Well you can leave out party affiliation because you will have an uphill battle claiming some grand Republican descrimination. but white Christians do have a different discrimination standard, simply because they have no great history of being dehumanized.

Things in the real world are seldom tit for tat. The histories are completely different.

I could easily point out all the vandalism of republican signs this election and even show you video of people protesting protesters and being assaulted in the process but I think that would be a waist of time.

You do agree then that descrimination against white/christan is more acceptable.  To me I find it unacceptable.  Equality isn't just for minorities or people with "history".

[TweetyBird]

I'm sorry, but it is different. Equality doesn't exist in an instant, it exists over time.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
I'm sorry, but it is different. Equality doesn't exist in an instant, it exists over time.

not according to the letter of the law it doesnt

[TweetyBird]

Actually it does - er affirmative acton is the letter of the law.
And there is reasoning behind it, not all perfect, but solid reasoning behind it. A snapshot never tells the whole story. A doctor doesn't form an opinon of your cardiovascular system from one test. There are many test over time as your health can hardly ever be determined in an instant. Sociological problems require the same scrutiny.

Contrary to popular belief, pictures do lie - especially snapshots.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by TweetyBird


but white Christians do have a different discrimination standard, simply because they have no great history of being dehumanized.

I'm sorry?  Have you no idea of History?

Just in the USA alone white Irish and Italians have faced all manner of discrimination.

Further all the early 1900s european immigrants into the USA faced terrible racism, exclusion, and dehumanization.  

Even WASP types faced terrible class and social discimination and intoreance in the USA up until the middle of this century, though its still here to some extent...

Many white WASP immigrants were brought here as indentured servants and endured condions ittle better than slaves.

Poor white sharecroppers suffered the same indignities wrt to living and working as free black sharecroppers.

White christian factory workers suffered terrible condions and dehunization during the worst parts of the industrial revoltion.

White christian mine workers and their familes suffered terrible dehumanization due to the working conditions and rules imposed on them...

Catholics suffered terribly at the hand of racist protest criminals like the KKK...

For centuries europe persecuted all sorts of white christians if they werent correctly christian according to the times or the country.

The white english settlers, the pilgrims, who came to america left the UK  because of religious persecution and intorreance.

And so on...

Damn tweety, you really have some serious problems with your perceptions and prejudices..

[TweetyBird]

Read some more Gunnerz. I well know the the plight of Irish immigrants and how they were paid immigrant wages and had a social pecking order tied to job status. But none were chattle. There is a difference. No Irish family was broken apart because some were SOLD.

Too much Limbaugh and not enough DC. Regardless of what Rush tells you, he is a product of community college.


But hold up that lampost why duncha.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yes shove more sterotypes back at me tweety...  I dont follow rush limbaigh programming.. But hey have your sterotypes, thats all you have to offer....


As for your feeble comment, the standard you set wasnt slavery, it was discrimination and dehumanization...You flat out stated that white christians never experienced dehumasnization or discrimination in history and I showed you otherwise...

[GRUNHERZ]

Actually what point is there discissinfg this with you when you clearly stated your solid feeling that certain groups of people people should be physically assaulted based only on their race...

Thats a pretty sick worldview you have there...