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« on: October 20, 2004, 07:53:17 PM »
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Teaching Ramadan in public schools

Accurate lessons in demand after 9/11

By HOLLY LEBOWITZ ROSSI

Religion News Service


During the next few weeks, multicultural trainer Afeefa Syeed will bring third-, fourth- and fifth-grade students from a Muslim academy in Herndon, Va., to nearby public schools to share the practices and beliefs of their holiest month, Ramadan.

Syeed and the children will present the call to prayer in Arabic, display prayer rugs and offer tastes of dates. In countless other classrooms across the country, similar efforts will be made to educate students about the time of fasting and spiritual reflection for adherents of the world's second-largest religion.

Ramadan, which likely will begin Oct. 15, depending on the sighting of the new moon, is making more appearances in public school classrooms, thanks to a series of new teacher training initiatives, an increased fascination with Islam and the assurance that schools, if careful, can educate impressionable children about religion without crossing a constitutional line.

The Council on Islamic Education, a nonprofit organization based in California, plans to release an updated version of its booklet “Muslim Holidays,” which was first published in 1997, for the more than 4,000 teachers nationwide who have used it.

The booklet, which contains lesson plan ideas and historical and cultural background on Ramadan and other Muslim holidays, also outlines the various state regulations governing instruction about religion in public schools and discusses accommodations that schools can make to enable Muslim students to observe the holiday.

Muslim educators note tremendous progress in education about Ramadan and Islam in general in public schools, particularly since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — perpetrated by extremist Muslims — brought Islam into the national spotlight.

Another reason for this success, some say, is an increased general awareness in public education circles of what is constitutionally appropriate to teach about religion.

In 1995, President Clinton released “Religious Expression in Public Schools: A Statement of Principles,” guidelines on promoting the free exercise of religion in schools without endorsing a particular faith. The Freedom Forum First Amendment Center in Arlington, Va., subsequently launched a series of training initiatives to remind public school officials nationwide of the regulations concerning religion in schools.

Unlike the political situation, which has become divisive in some ways, “the educational arena came out unscathed” by increased attention on Islam since Sept. 11, said Shabbir Mansuri, founding director of the Council on Islamic Education.

Whereas Ramadan used to garner only cursory attention from public school teachers, Muslim education consultants say, interest in deeper understanding of the holiday has spiked.

“They want to know accurate information,” said Sharifa Alkhateeb, president of the Washington-based Muslim Education Council.

For teachers and administrators, as well as fellow students, explaining Ramadan helps the school accommodate the religious requirements of the holiday.

For example, at puberty, children begin to participate in the daily fast, which lasts from sunrise to sundown each day of the month. Many schools arrange for Muslim students to sit in the library during lunchtime so that they are not surrounded by food as they fast.

Educators cite Ramadan as a good opportunity to teach students about Islam and its practice. But teaching Ramadan in public schools has not been without controversy. Last year a federal judge said that the Byron Union School District in California could continue a three-week curriculum that emphasized role-playing exercises requiring, among other things, seventh-grade students to recite Muslim prayers.

Despite the ruling in the district's favor, the school suspended the program because of the outcry the lawsuit spawned.

Crucial to avoiding these kinds of problems, say educators, is understanding the difference between “teaching” and “teaching about” religion.

Role-playing exercises that require students to recite sacred words or imitate Muslim prayer practices simply are not appropriate.

“It is a wonderful method in teaching history, but when it comes to religion, we will have to modify it a bit,” Mansuri said.

Syeed, who also uses a globe in her presentation to show students that Muslims live all over the world, says her lesson plan “The Seven S's of Ramadan” highlights aspects of Islam that children of other faith backgrounds can relate to, like patience, peace and gratitude.

“It's really just to define who we are on our own terms and make the connection with a much larger, universal aspect,” she said.


Anyone here see anything here that is a double standard? Don't dare to mention God or Prayer at school, but you can teach about this? Hmmmm....Glad my kids are out of school.

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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2004, 08:00:11 PM »
Don't fret - just look at the test scores - the kids ain't listening...

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2004, 08:04:13 PM »
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Crucial to avoiding these kinds of problems, say educators, is understanding the difference between “teaching” and “teaching about” religion.


Yup.

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2004, 08:12:34 PM »
So long as recruiting is absent, it's fine by me.  Anyone who raises a stink beyond that, is ignorant of the actual purpose of the event.

I'd like to see the history of Festivus explained to students.  That shiney pole in our living room brings a tear to my eye.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2004, 08:14:32 PM »
i already know this.


It is an atempt at antiracialness.  Trying to get the little kiddies to not hate muslims.  That is all it is.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2004, 08:18:33 PM »
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i already know this.


It is an atempt at antiracialness.  Trying to get the little kiddies to not hate muslims.  That is all it is.


This can't be taught at home? :confused:
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2004, 08:22:28 PM »
I know in school they do actually teach theology.  They can teach ABOUT religion and the differences but to actually practice (some say) violates the law.

I'm not for pushing religion down peoples throats....and yes I do see a double standard when it comes to christianity and everything else (although probably not so in this situation)  I think it is important to teach kids about other ways of life.  To not expose them to it or even explain things seems to promote ignorances.  If we start teaching our kids that anything muslim is bad we become no better than the scum sucking arabs that teach their own children hate in the name of religion.

There is a line to be drawn though and the information should be as fact/FYI based as possible.  Kids are gonna formulate there own opinions.....teachers should teach them about fact and its the parents job to help steer them were their goals are.

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2004, 08:32:55 PM »
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This can't be taught at home? :confused:
No the school districts don't want these kids to become racist.  It creates major problems in High School.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2004, 08:33:45 PM »
I'm not promoting anywhere to promote that Islam is bad. Just to make that clear. Ignorances begin at home IMO. Questions should be answered as far as relegion goes at home.

I am a christian...I have no problem with certain things not being allowed in school as to it may "Offend" someone. However....3rd , 4th and 5th graders being taught tis seems a bit over the top.

Just my opinion and 2 cents.  Not flame baiting...Just seems that in this day and age of Political Correctness this is something that possibly over the top to me.

Maybe Im just to set in my ways. Maybe I'm to old...But I just have a probelm with this. My kids are grown and living thier own lives. So , this really shouldn't bother me...but I do have nephews and grandkids...Them having to participate in this would be a bother to me.

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2004, 08:35:43 PM »
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No the school districts don't want these kids to become racist.  It creates major problems in High School.


So what your saying is...sort of...that it is the SCHOOLS responsibility to teach racial equality and not the home.

Is that what your saying?  :confused:
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2004, 08:39:45 PM »
Red Top you are forgetting that if you are White, Republican, or Christian.....you are not entitled to not being offended or having "political correctness" apply to anyone when referring to you.

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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2004, 08:44:22 PM »
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Red Top you are forgetting that if you are White, Republican, or Christian.....you are not entitled to not being offended or having "political correctness" apply to anyone when referring to you.



LOL...Gun...good point.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2004, 09:41:24 PM »
That because most white christian republicans have no history of being biatched slapped for most of their history. Get it now?

Frankly I believe a few need it.



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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2004, 09:47:32 PM »
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That because most white christian republicans have no history of being biatched slapped for most of their history. Get it now?



Neither do Democrat liberals

can't say anything for white or republicans.....BUT, christians have been persicuted since the begining of christianity.  

But just because there is no historical Beiatch slapping involved does that justify discrimination.

If blacks had never been enslaved in the US....IE no history....would it make discrimination any less wrong?

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2004, 09:51:10 PM »
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So what your saying is...sort of...that it is the SCHOOLS responsibility to teach racial equality and not the home.

Is that what your saying?  :confused:


No that's not what he said at all.

One role of schools is teaching ethical behavior and good citizenship to children. Nowhere did he say that this cannot be taught at the same time at home.

As far as the word responsibility. Parent's have no legal responsibility to teach racial equality. Public schools on the otherhand do. So it would be irresponsible of schools not to teach this.
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