Author Topic: Refusal of orders...my views (Read 707 times)

jamusta · « **Reply #30 on:** October 21, 2004, 02:32:23 PM »

straffo usually its fuel with some sort impurity in it. Dirty fuel is usual case. Having to much dirt in it.

CavemanJ · « **Reply #31 on:** October 21, 2004, 02:45:11 PM »

Contaminated fuel has something mixed into the fuel. A couple of articles on cnn say the fuel in this case had water in it.

Dago · « **Reply #32 on:** October 21, 2004, 02:50:18 PM »

If it was just water, not a big problem, water will settle out of fuel as water has a heavier specific gravity.

dago

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 21, 2004, 03:09:34 PM »

Would any of you go into a hostile environment (like South Central LA) armed with a supersoaker atop a 1975 unarmored volkswagon bus because you were ordered to?

I wouldn't.

I recall a group of sailors during WW2 who refused orders due to unsafe working conditions. They were soundly punished.

At some point, common sense has to be the order of the day.

straffo · « **Reply #34 on:** October 21, 2004, 03:21:14 PM »

Thank Jamusta,CavemanJ,Dago

Martlet · « **Reply #35 on:** October 21, 2004, 03:24:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Would any of you go into a hostile environment (like South Central LA) armed with a supersoaker atop a 1975 unarmored volkswagon bus because you were ordered to?

I wouldn't.

I recall a group of sailors during WW2 who refused orders due to unsafe working conditions. They were soundly punished.

At some point, common sense has to be the order of the day.

Then don't join the military.

jamusta · « **Reply #36 on:** October 21, 2004, 03:24:22 PM »

Red Tail I am from south central LA and I wouldnt go through with a supersoaker. A school fire extinquisher out the window of an old vw bug works so much better. To bad its a hefty fine if caught with one. Those were the days.

P.S. Eggs work well also

Terror · « **Reply #37 on:** October 21, 2004, 04:34:30 PM »

From what I remember from Basic Training....

The only order that can be "refused" is an unlawful order....

Can a soldier refuse an order just because it may put him in a extremely high risk situation? Even if it's a "suicide" mission? I am pretty sure the answer is unequivicably NO. I would say most soldiers on the ground do not have the "big picture" as to why their mission is required. Refusal to follow orders could cost many more lives or even a while campaign to be lost. A soldier should not be able to refuse orders unless that order is obviously "unlawful". Especially under wartime conditions that now exist in Iraq.

My bet would be that most of those soldiers are heading for a General Discharge or even a Discharge Under Less than Honorable Conditions.

Terror