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Offline Thrawn

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« on: October 23, 2004, 11:58:14 AM »
John Kerry, that's right JOHN freaking KERRY.


Outstanding!


http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2004, 12:14:58 PM »
in related news, canada's 9.1 billion dollar surplus was traced to the export of tinfoil.

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2004, 12:51:21 PM »
it's not TINfoil dammit, it's aluminum foil, and remember to put the shiney side out.

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2004, 01:04:26 PM »
I've often thought Pat Buchanan was in the tinfoil hat league, but he seems to be on the money here. (he's the senior editor). It's funny how few people seem to realize that the conservatism of the Republican party today is dramatically different from the past -- almost a different party entirely.  FWIW I would probably vote for Bush Sr. over Kerry in this election, if that was the option. If you call yourself a conservative try reading the link on this one for a change.

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We believe conservatism to be the most natural political tendency, rooted in man’s taste for the familiar, for family, for faith in God. We believe that true conservatism has a predisposition for the institutions and mores that exist. So much of what passes for contemporary conservatism is wedded to a kind of radicalism—fantasies of global hegemony, the hubristic notion of America as a universal nation for all the world’s peoples, a hyperglobal economy. In combination with an increasingly unveiled contempt for America’s long-standing allies, this is more a recipe for disaster.

Against it, we take our stand..


What exactly is implied by the tinfoil hat statement Vorticon? Just a little drive-by shootin' from the hip?

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2004, 01:20:23 PM »
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What exactly is implied by the tinfoil hat statement Vorticon? Just a little drive-by shootin' from the hip?


just some of it feels in the same league as the 9/11 conspiracy theorys, this peice particularily.

"The libertarian writer Lew Rockwell has mischievously noted parallels between Bush and Russia’s last tsar, Nicholas II: both gained office as a result of family connections, both initiated an unnecessary war that shattered their countries’ budgets. Lenin needed the calamitous reign of Nicholas II to create an opening for the Bolsheviks."

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2004, 01:24:42 PM »
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just some of it feels in the same league as the 9/11 conspiracy theorys, this peice particularily.

"The libertarian writer Lew Rockwell has mischievously noted parallels between Bush and Russia’s last tsar, Nicholas II: both gained office as a result of family connections, both initiated an unnecessary war that shattered their countries’ budgets. Lenin needed the calamitous reign of Nicholas II to create an opening for the Bolsheviks."


Pretty hard to see that. He is just pointing out that in his opinion a leader underqualified for the job is creating an international situation that will impact America for decades to come, as did the Tsar.  A simple and "mischievous" comparison of events that nowhere states or implies a more significant connection, secret society, etc.

[edit: much like the "Neville Chamberlain!" comparisons pre invasion Iraq. These always bothered me because unlike Nazi Germany in the late 1930s we actually destroyed Saddams ability to wage agressive war at his "Czechoslovakia" and left little room for a future Poland.]

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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2004, 02:22:47 PM »
Wow, for being in a Conservative magazine, that was one of the most liberal things I've ever read.  I feel dumber for actually having spent the time to read it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2004, 02:43:08 PM »
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Wow, for being in a Conservative magazine, that was one of the most liberal things I've ever read.  I feel dumber for actually having spent the time to read it.



Nah, it's conservative it's just not neo-conservative.

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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2004, 05:42:05 PM »
Yeah, it's full of liberal claptrap like this:

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George W. Bush has come to embody a politics that is antithetical to almost any kind of thoughtful conservatism. His international policies have been based on the hopelessly naïve belief that foreign peoples are eager to be liberated by American armies—a notion more grounded in Leon Trotsky’s concept of global revolution than any sort of conservative statecraft. His immigration policies—temporarily put on hold while he runs for re-election—are just as extreme. A re-elected President Bush would be committed to bringing in millions of low-wage immigrants to do jobs Americans “won’t do.” This election is all about George W. Bush, and those issues are enough to render him unworthy of any conservative support.


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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2004, 06:21:36 PM »
RNC bait and switch.  Some may never figure it out.

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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2004, 06:27:46 PM »
Bush is a closet socialist at home but in Iraq he lets it all hang out.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2004, 10:45:15 PM »
OH!  I feel like such a handsomehunk for not realizing this earlier.

Intentions.  What were the intentions of something?  I'm sitting here wondering, "Why the **** would a conservative lie and do something so heinous in such a critical time?"  So I decided to look back further at some other things Scott McConnel has done.  I didn't find much, just writing that was much like a Closet Bush Bash liberal, waiting for the right moment to write a scathing article.  

I also noticed that he was **INCREDIBLY** critical about Bush's war and foreign policies.  This was when I found this:  

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Scott McConnell is the executive editor of The American Conservative.A Ph.D.in history from Columbia University, he was formerly the editorial page editor of the New York Post and has been a columnist for Antiwar.com and New York Press.His work has been published in Commentary, Fortune, National Review, The New Republic, and many other publications.


http://www.Antiwar.com
http://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch=antiwar.com&q=Scott+McConnell

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2004, 01:25:10 AM »
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I didn't find much, just writing that was much like a Closet Bush Bash liberal, waiting for the right moment to write a scathing article.

So he is a liberal, huh?

I see from the google search that you left out that he is an officer and lecturer for the Ayn Rand Institute...boy won't they be surprised to learn he is a liberal.

Huh...seems one of his articles for NY Press was titled: "Minority Whites".  Yup...sounds liberal to me.

To copy Jon Stewart...you need to go to a journalism school so you can learn investigative research techniques.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2004, 01:45:21 AM »
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Bush has behaved like a caricature of what a right-wing president is supposed to be, and his continuation in office will discredit any sort of conservatism for generations. The launching of an invasion against a country that posed no threat to the U.S., the doling out of war profits and concessions to politically favored corporations, the financing of the war by ballooning the deficit to be passed on to the nation’s children, the ceaseless drive to cut taxes for those outside the middle class and working poor: it is as if Bush sought to resurrect every false 1960s-era left-wing cliché about predatory imperialism and turn it into administration policy. Add to this his nation-breaking immigration proposal—Bush has laid out a mad scheme to import immigrants to fill any job where the wage is so low that an American can’t be found to do it—and you have a presidency that combines imperialist Right and open-borders Left in a uniquely noxious cocktail.


Wow :D

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2004, 01:53:49 AM »
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i'm sorry , the "working poor" don't pay taxes, in fact if you have a job and your income is low enough you get "earned income credit", the govt pays you a bonus based on how much you earned working.