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« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2004, 07:11:35 AM »
why the one who hadn't heard of an la-7

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« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2004, 07:28:31 AM »
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When I first started flying here, I seen a comment in the radio buffer that stuck with me.  "The La7 here sticks out like a cartoon character in a movie.  It doesnt belong."  I dont think I appriciated the comment until I happened upon a lala on the deck as I was rtbing.  I gradually dove off about 4k of alt down to the deck toward him.  He saw me, did a 180, and of course went for the HO.  After the merge he did another 180, after completing that he accelerated within gun range in 12 seconds on me who had just continued going straight.  Two 180s and run down a fast plane going straight in 12 seconds?  No, no performance issue there.  Then people complain about how timid some get with their E managment.  With a model running all over the arena that neuters E managment in most of the planeset...I wonder.


Nah, There Is No Performance Issue There........thank goodness :D

now if he had caught you in 11 seconds I would start to wonder LOL
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« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2004, 07:35:59 AM »
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why the one who hadn't heard of an la-7

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I ask my neighbour to name a  fighter plane that fought in the 2nd world war.............  he says Spitfire and Hurricane.........

I ask my neighbour to name a German one......... he says Messerschmit.

For all other nations he draws a total blank............

He is a pretty average kinda guy............ actually he is a pretty average British kinda guy he does not know of a P51 or an La7.

Infact he is a pretty average Western European he knows nothing of a Pacific war beyond the odd movie.

Further he is a pretty average "Western" kinda guy........ he has no concept of the war between Germany and Russia or its massive and overwhelming significance to the final out come in Europe.

The idea that our ignorance should decide stuff is just........... well..................ignoran t IMO
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« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2004, 08:06:58 AM »
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The reverse can also be said. A newbie in a far superior plane couldn't shoot down a vet in a slower, inferior plane. Verdict: It's the pilot not the plane.


 No, the verdict would be "it's the pilot not the plane", if the superior pilot shot down the neophyte.

 In this case, which is the usual case, which is why the vets get mad and angry in the MA in the first place, is the neophyte managed a statistical "stalemtate" and ran away in safety despite all his suckage, who by all means probably would have been shot down if he ever engaged more than 30 seconds.

 The fact that the newbie pilot survived in the first place proves the "plane > pilot" theory. And the fact that ch.200 rants are endless, is another very big supporting fact to that theory.

 Basically, vets aren't getting enough kills, as opposed to the total number of planes they meet and engage in the MA.

 They could get a lot of kills if he just gave up on the K/D and started fighting like a n00b, engaging every duel to the death, except the vets don't want to be snuffed out like a candle in the midst of a horde - they wanna survive, live long, and still get many kills and land in safety - which they can't do in AH2 (due to various changes in the game, the largest being the gunnery).

 Since they can't catch the average guys in uber-rides who has some basic SA to at least know when to run away, all they can get is the greenest guys around who presents almost no stimulation in the fun of air combat.

 It's like sex - people aren't getting enough of it :D, so they're all horny and bitter and jumpy and start ranting on ch200 the moment their foe runs away, and they realize they can't catch him.  :D :D

 Within common sense lies wisdom - people say the "timid flier" phenomenon is plaguing the MA, and people hate it. When you look into it, people can afford to be timid since its rarely likely they'd ever be caught and shot down while flying a P-51 or a D-9 or La-7, as long as they just know when to run away screaming. Ofcourse they're timid - the plane they fly are so fast that they don't need to learn any ACM.

 In the end, the plane factor is material, physical, and solid in relative strenghts and weaknesses. The pilot factor is inherent in the human, which cannot be quantified, and varies upon situation.

 The first rule of all fight/engagement/battle/war, is to secure a thorough material, physical superiority over the enemy. Same thing applies to air combat.

 In the end, as long as you're in the fastest plane available, you'll at least manage a draw :) Even if someone else brings the same plane, if you have a head start he'll never catch you.

 The only instances where the pilot has to actually have to try and use the "ACM" stuff is when somebody comes in in the same plane, with a big alt advantage so they can catch you.

 Voila - the reason why people are timid is given.


 In other words, the MA is being plagued by timid pilots, because the MA works that way and the newbie, sucky, lame, average, who-ever-is-not-an-ace pilots instinctively know that. In the MA, it's the plane, not the pilot.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2004, 08:12:53 AM by Kweassa »

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« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2004, 09:35:25 AM »
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ahem...  unsure of exact situation, tho'

current tour

shane has 2 kills on batfinkV
batfinkV has 0 kills on shane

La7 - 2 kills
P-51d - 1 death
SpitV - 1 death

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LMAO   fair play, obviously happened so quick i didnt even register!

funny that the only time i have flown the mustang to my knoledge you killed me.

hehe

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EDIT: on checking it seems this tour is the only time you got me or we even encoutered each other. i didnt check to hard tho :)

EDIT2: oops  looks like i died in a pony 4 times so i must have flown it more, i really need to stop whatever im taking, my memory is suffering :D
« Last Edit: November 25, 2004, 09:41:18 AM by mechanic »
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« Reply #95 on: December 02, 2004, 04:07:10 PM »
Normally I stay out of the perk the LA7 threads. However, I really like the suggestion of perking the 3 gun LA7.

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« Reply #96 on: December 02, 2004, 04:51:47 PM »
I'm all for bringing back the Cold War.

1: TV was much better (so were the movies on the big screen).

2: We had alot more higher paying jobs with the defense industry working at 150% to stay ahead of the Russians.

3: Boroda would have to limit his political ramblings to fellow indoctrinees as they posted back pats back and forth on the ironcurtainet.

4: The war on drugs took a back seat.

So ... perk all the damned Ruski plane, I say. And keep track of who flies them.

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« Reply #97 on: December 02, 2004, 04:56:28 PM »
On dsl .... go figure. :D

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« Reply #98 on: December 03, 2004, 12:46:24 PM »
Well, folks, I am a new pilot here, joined a week ago. I read much about air to air  combat  in late ww2. La-7 was made to fly like germans did in their me. Climb high, look for a target, dive on it, if missed climb back and try again, if outnumbered - run like hell. And as the other guy said, most of LA-7 had only 2 cannons. It could perform very well only on vertical and was pretty much sucky in any horizontal fights. By the way, yak-9U was faster than La-7 in ww2 with cruising max speed about 700k/hour at 5000k, while La-7  max was around 630-650.

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« Reply #99 on: December 03, 2004, 02:26:42 PM »
HT should just perk everything but the hurri1, spit1, and val. If you need more power then that you should earn it. Then we wouldn't see dweebs in expensive planes like the la7 nearly so much. Of course the down side is the good pilots who can really accumulate perks will just be cruisin around in relatively untouchable planes. On the up side of that, though, you'll be able to spot the good ones real easy.

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« Reply #100 on: December 04, 2004, 06:14:11 PM »
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I'm all for bringing back the Cold War.

1: TV was much better (so were the movies on the big screen).

2: We had alot more higher paying jobs with the defense industry working at 150% to stay ahead of the Russians.

3: Boroda would have to limit his political ramblings to fellow indoctrinees as they posted back pats back and forth on the ironcurtainet.

4: The war on drugs took a back seat.

So ... perk all the damned Ruski plane, I say. And keep track of who flies them.


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« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2004, 06:17:24 PM »
Ja! Yes! Oui! Hai! Si! Ne! Da! Tak!

I hope I've made myself clear.

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« Reply #102 on: December 07, 2004, 01:25:22 PM »
La7 is the ultra newb dweeb ride. There is no other non perk plane that matches it performance. The stats you guys give mean jack (*&# since  a lotta newbs fly them along with some more experienced pilots.

1 0n 1 no matter what plane they are in...(non perk) less than 10k you get beat in an la7 you are a newb. That plane accelerates, turns, climbs, dives, and has the cannon to back it up.   Most stats dont matter because you are talking of flying in MA where it is rare to find a 1 on 1.  Therefore you can not determine the ability of a plane because it is usually outnumbered or part of a horde.

 Karnak said it best with his mosquito example.

I wonder how many of these pro la7 people fly it all the time. Get a new ride dweebs.

Oh and by the way the A-8 does just fine against la7 just gotta Z and B till you kill him or make him auger trying to turn from your shots.
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« Reply #103 on: December 07, 2004, 02:07:45 PM »
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I wonder how many of these pro la7 people fly it all the time. Get a new ride dweebs.




You should be less concerned with what other people fly and instead learn some things that will enable you to defeat an La7.


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« Reply #104 on: December 07, 2004, 02:09:41 PM »
It's usually pretty easy to beat unless Shane's behind the controls.