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Thrawn · « **Reply #30 on:** October 25, 2004, 02:25:25 PM »

Abortion was down under Clinton and up under Bush.

If you are truely against abortion I guess you will have to vote Democrat.

Yeager · « **Reply #31 on:** October 25, 2004, 02:26:24 PM »

damn tweety sweet! you learned from the best of em now tell me where the constitution provides for abortion?

As far as terminating one life that is killing to save another I think it is called self defense. Now again, tell me where abortion is provided for in the constitution.

You cant.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #32 on:** October 25, 2004, 02:44:57 PM »

The Constitution was not written to establish medical protocol. It doesn't provide for any medical procedure. I guess that doesn't seem as obvious to you as it does me, but your colonoscopy is not provided for in the Constitution.

The Constitution isnt JAMA - two different things.

Let me make this more clear, the Constitution is not a medical document.

And in case you're still missing it, doctors didn't write the Constitution.

Your question about where the Constitution provides for abortion is bizarre. Why would it provide for medical treatment? Thats between a competent doctor and a patient.

AKcurly · « **Reply #33 on:** October 25, 2004, 02:46:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Now again, tell me where abortion is provided for in the constitution.

Right under the line where you are guaranteed the right to own a machine gun.

curly

vorticon · « **Reply #34 on:** October 25, 2004, 02:59:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Now again, tell me where abortion is provided for in the constitution.

You cant.

the constitution is made to control the government, not for the government to control the people.

texace · « **Reply #35 on:** October 25, 2004, 03:15:06 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
the constitution is made to control the government, not for the government to control the people.

Bingo.

It's a way to stop the government from making laws that will deny us the freedoms we enjoy. It's not a document that says we as Americans can do what we want...it is a documrnt that forbids the government from taking away our freedoms.

There isn't an Amendment or an Article in the Constitution that says abortion is legal or not. To me, abortion falls under the catagory of basic human liberties. You are free to do whatever you want to yourself because you are not causing physical harm to another. Now, I know a lot of you are saying, "But life starts at birth! You can't do that because you would be killing a life!" Well, morally, you're right. Medically, you're not.

A fetus is a virus. It feeds off a host body by utilizing the host's blood and energy to survive. If you remove a fetus from the mother and try to let it live on its own, it will die because it cannot maintain life on its own. It requires the mother to carry it until it is able to sustain life without her. In my mind, until a baby is born, it is not a "life," it is a virus.

That being said, this issue itself hits WAY too close to home for me. I had to deal with this first hand. I was given a choice...I could have let my child attempt to go full term with a serious risk of both it and my girl's life being snuffed just prior., or I could have let them go through with the abortion and saved her life. Does anyone here know how hard that choice is? Anyone at all? I know some of you do...I've read about it and I am sorry.

You're not going to convince me that abortion is moraly wrong...morallity stops at mortality. I pay little mind to morals when my life of the lives or my family and friends are in danger.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #36 on:** October 25, 2004, 03:47:05 PM »

Well written texace and vorticon.. 8)

AKIron · « **Reply #37 on:** October 25, 2004, 04:02:14 PM »

While the Constitution may not explicitly guarantee "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" these were most certainly considered basic "rights" by our country's founders. Obviously there is much disagreement as to when "life" begins but everyone started life the same way. I ask everyone that supports a woman's right to abortion this question, you were there, when did your life begin?

Thrawn · « **Reply #38 on:** October 25, 2004, 05:16:29 PM »

US Constitutional rights are extended to US citizens. A fetus isn't a citizen, neither is a zygote or a sperm for that matter.

hawker238 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 25, 2004, 06:37:37 PM »

No more masturbation! Stop the useless wasting of sperm!

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #40 on:** October 25, 2004, 06:43:38 PM »

I don't remember when my life began.

Probably when my memory started working.
-SW

Gunslinger · « **Reply #41 on:** October 25, 2004, 06:59:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
US Constitutional rights are extended to US citizens.

If you think US Rights only apply to citizens....ask the lawyers helping free Gutmo detainees so they can join up with the cause once again.

Vudak · « **Reply #42 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:32:38 PM »

I get the impression that a few people on this board honestly believe that there are people out there that "want" to have an abortion...

Ok, there's always a few nutjobs, but c'mon! No one wants to have an abortion! Sometimes they just have to have one...

I'd like to pose a tough question to the big bad ultra conservatives: Whom, if any of you, are signed up on an "adoption rather than abortion" list? Who out there, who talks so mightily, has adopted a kid/made clear to the authorities that they are available to? I'm sure some of you must have, but I'm equally sure not everyone has. I certainly have not.

Because I'm sorry, but asking, say, a 13year old girl with a parent in jail whose living off her grandmother's social security to have the kid is pretty damn messed up if you aren't willing to help swing the bills...

Also, it has been noted that the right to have an abortion is not in the Constitution. That is true. However, in this country we have something called seperation of church and state (gasp!). Now, to be fair, I have not seen a post on this board that mentioned anything about religion when going against abortion. But I have seen many a newsreel of anti-abortion rallies/protests. You know what sign pops up in every single one? "Abortion is a Sin". Well, as a Catholic, I'd agree.

Of course, waving that sign around in America will not change the law. People that make such signs, are, well, idiots. If they'd really like to save the "life", perhaps they should make signs that say "Change your Mind, I'll help you with the finances/nurturing/educational/clothing/housing/feeding needs of the child.".....

Yeah.... I'm not seeing those signs waved around too often. If you have constructed one, please accept my sincere thanks and admiration.

Bottom line is, abortion's not a pretty thing. It's not a good thing. It's not a happy thing. It's not something any slightly well-balanced individual will ever want to go through. But, unfortunately, it can be a necessity, at times for reasons other than mortality. And until our society as a whole changes, a woman's right to have an abortion in a reasonable time-frame needs to remain on the books. Sometimes it's for the best...

Ok, I've said my piece: Destroy me

Thrawn · « **Reply #43 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:41:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
If you think US Rights only apply to citizens....ask the lawyers helping free Gutmo detainees so they can join up with the cause once again.

This has nothing to due with rights garaunteed by the US Constitution, but rights garaunteed under interational treaty, specifically the Geneva Conventions.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #44 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:45:08 PM »

>>Ok, I've said my piece: Destroy me
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See you don't understand the Republican label. All people having abortions are minorities or women in interacial relationships who can't keep their legs closed. We'll thats what they'd have you believe.