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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2004, 04:33:12 PM »
The reason I'm taking a negative stance about the missing explosives is I've seen them used against our troops. This was not an isolated incident. Discovery/Times is running a very good series called "Off to War: From Rural Arkansas to Baghdad" . They document a case just like this at Camp Cooke (it may be the same one). Loose HE was lying everywhere. There were no guards posted after we captured them and looting was rampant. Watch the show and you will see for yourself.
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2004, 05:07:28 PM »


"Officials were unable to link the missing explosives directly to the recent car bombings."

this is getting boring,

lets find something else to blame on bush. but hurry , we'r running out of time.

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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2004, 06:57:15 PM »
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Thanks for the link Dago, but it was the wrong one. That report mentions NBC, not CBS. I bet this is a Drudge or NewsMax story or the link would already be posted.


The Army unit that found the storage bunkers was accompanied by an embedded reporter from NBC news. The reported high explosives were missing (April of 2003). They were still missing when the ordnance team officially inspected the site.

NBC News reported Monday night that one of its reporters was embedded with the 101st Airborne. She watched the troops conduct what can be described as a "cursory search" of the premises on April 10, and found a great deal of conventional ordnance, but no RDX or HMX.

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei reported the disappearance to the U.N. Security Council on Monday, two weeks after he said Iraq told the nuclear agency that the explosives had vanished from the former Iraqi military installation as a result of "theft and looting ... due to lack of security." Note that ElBaradei is seeking to be reappointed to his position, but Bush opposes this citing previous deceit in public statement to the press and the UN. Supposedly, the IAEA tagged the RDX and HDX during one of its inspections.

In May 2003, members of the Iraq Survey Group, a weapons inspection team, began work at Al-Qaqaa. It conducted 25 inspections, which covered 37 large bunkers and more than 80 other buildings. No IAEA-tagged high-explosive material was found.

Try this link.

So, ElBaradei knowingly lied to protect his own position, yet again demonstrating that the UN is bound and determined to interfere in a US Presidential election. This, by the way, is reported to be a violation of the UN Charter.

Since the L.A. Times reports that CBS news intended to air this false report two days before the election, can anyone state that CBS is not deliberately trying to undermine the election? Maybe the FCC should have a good look at their licence after the election... Fortunately, the NY Times spilled the beans early, reporting the story as fact. So, both are discredited. Seems like Kerry has hitched his wagon to yet another falling star.....

To quote Kerry on this issue: it's"one of the great blunders" of the war.

"Terrorists could use this material to kill our troops, our people, blow up airplanes and level buildings," Kerry said. "The unbelievable blindness, stubbornness, arrogance of this administration to do the basics have now allowed this president to once again fail the test of being the commander in chief."

When asked by MSNBC's "Hardball" host Chris Matthews if Bill Clinton urged Kerry to push the issue of Iraq or more domestic issues during a joint campaign event in Philadelphia on Monday, Kerry said Clinton was "very concerned about this ammo dump thing."

"He thinks that -- and I think that -- represents the way in which this administration has miscalculated again and again and again in Iraq," Kerry said in the interview, which aired Monday night. "And this is serious, because just a small amount, if only a few tons of it fell into the hands of terrorists, it's more than enough to blow airplanes out of the sky, buildings to the ground, it's deadly serious. And it's so basic to what we should have been doing over there."

What about Edwards? "The reality is that they didn't secure them. The Bush administration didn't secure these materials. They haven't taken the steps necessary to be successful in Iraq. And we're seeing the consequences of it every single day."

The reality of it is that both were duped... Again.

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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2004, 07:32:22 PM »
Lemme see if I got this right. Kerry claims that 380 tons of explosives disappeared while our troops were in Iraq and can't be found. Some of you Democrats are all over this story as if it's proof that Bush has failed. Yet you same guys claim that because WMDs can't be found it's proof they don't/didn't exist?

Someone explain to me how 380 tons of dangerous explosives can disappear under our noses but it's not possible for say 380 tons of nerve gas to disappear while we're not even there.
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2004, 07:47:28 PM »
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Lemme see if I got this right. Kerry claims that 380 tons of explosives disappeared while our troops were in Iraq and can't be found. Some of you Democrats are all over this story as if it's proof that Bush has failed. Yet you same guys claim that because WMDs can't be found it's proof they don't/didn't exist?

Someone explain to me how 380 tons of dangerous explosives can disappear under our noses but it's not possible for say 380 tons of nerve gas to disappear while we're not even there.


The facts will come out that if in fact it did "disapear" under the occupation it did so between jan. 03 and May 03.  So really this isn't new news, it is an election week ploy.

Second, DO YOU KNOW THE LOGISTICS INVOLVED IN MOVING 380 TONS OF ANYTHING?  38 good size trucks would have to take 10 trips!  Chances are these were moved AFTER/DURING the invasion, or they were never there to begin with.

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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2004, 07:50:52 PM »
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Second, DO YOU KNOW THE LOGISTICS INVOLVED IN MOVING 380 TONS OF ANYTHING?


380 tons of explosives? That would be so easy to move, I could do it alone in just a few minutes. (with a detonator)  
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2004, 07:52:54 PM »
I think this story will blow up in Kerry's face. ( pun intended)

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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2004, 07:54:12 PM »
I think the FCC should pull CBS's broadcasting license.
 This was to air the night before the election in a deliberate, blatent and admitted attempt to manipulate the Presidental election.
 I can't think of too many other things that are more unamerican then that.
 The Media's job (IMHO)is too give the people the facts and let them make up thier mind.Now, I know that it is a little unrealistic too expect no bias at all, but  this was way overboard.
 If the dem/libs are so desperate to get into the White House that they think they have to resort to this,are they really the type of people we want running the country ?

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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2004, 08:08:54 PM »
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I think the FCC should pull CBS's broadcasting license.
 This was to air the night before the election in a deliberate, blatent and admitted attempt to manipulate the Presidental election.

Not only that Flit, but because of McCain/Fiengold a federal canidate is at the mercy of 'fair' media to set the story straight when a partisan so called "news orginization" runs a smear campaign.  Thanks to McCains precious anti-first admendment reforms, a canidate cant buy media time to refute false allegations days prior to an election.

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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2004, 08:19:08 PM »
I wonder who decides what "fair media" is

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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2004, 08:47:38 PM »
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NBC News reported Monday night that one of its reporters was embedded with the 101st Airborne. She watched the troops conduct what can be described as a "cursory search" of the premises on April 10, and found a great deal of conventional ordnance, but no RDX or HMX.

On tonight's NBC News they said the story had become distorted by the Bush campaign and did a major clarification of what they reported. They said the 101st did not locate the explosives. They do not no how extensive the search was or if one was conducted at all. Just the 101st did not locate any.

Now let's take your side for a minute and say there WERE WMD's in Iraq. The insurgants could have made off with them instead of the explosives. This was poor planning. Bush may have not made the post-war plan himself, but he signed off on it. How many passes does this guy get before he is finally held responsable and fired? If this happened to Gore conservatives would be screaming for blood.
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2004, 09:01:04 PM »
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On tonight's NBC News they said the story had become distorted by the Bush campaign and did a major clarification of what they reported. They said the 101st did not locate the explosives. They do not no how extensive the search was or if one was conducted at all. Just the 101st did not locate any.

Now let's take your side for a minute and say there WERE WMD's in Iraq. The insurgants could have made off with them instead of the explosives. This was poor planning. Bush may have not made the post-war plan himself, but he signed off on it. How many passes does this guy get before he is finally held responsable and fired? If this happened to Gore conservatives would be screaming for blood.


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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2004, 09:10:42 PM »
uh?

How can you hold the US Army responsible for weapons that were not there when they first arrived at a location?

The dems (and their butt buds in the media) are getting desperate

LOL

they could have disappeared anytime btwn jan 03 and the invasion

IAEA inspectors last saw the explosives in January 2003 when they took an inventory and placed fresh seals on the bunkers, Fleming said. Inspectors visited the site again in March 2003, but didn't view the explosives because the seals were not broken, she said.

Nuclear agency experts pulled out of Iraq just before the U.S.-led invasion later that month, and have not yet been able to return for general inspections despite ElBaradei's repeated urging that they be allowed to finish their work. Although IAEA inspectors have made two trips to Iraq since the war at U.S. requests, Russia and other Security Council members have pressed for their full-time return — so far unsuccessfully.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said coalition forces were present in the vicinity of the site both during and after major combat operations, which ended May 1, 2003 — and searched the facility but found none of the explosives material in question. That raised the possibility that the explosives had disappeared before U.S. soldiers could secure the site in the immediate invasion aftermath.
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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2004, 09:32:03 PM »
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On tonight's NBC News they said the story had become distorted by the Bush campaign and did a major clarification of what they reported. They said the 101st did not locate the explosives. They do not no how extensive the search was or if one was conducted at all. Just the 101st did not locate any.


They found plenty of rocket propelled grenades, lots of small arms ammo, but no high explosives. It was supposedly tagged by the UN inspectors. I don't think I could miss 377 tons of high explosives even during a cursory seach, hell, even a glance in a bunker would do.

You also have forgotten that the Iraq Survey Group, sent over to specifically document all Iraqi weapons, didn't find it either. Why? Because it had already been moved. They went to Al-Qaqaa specifically because it was a possible location for storing WMD. Al-Qaqaa is a substantial weapons storage facility with 37 bunkers.

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Now let's take your side for a minute and say there WERE WMD's in Iraq. The insurgants could have made off with them instead of the explosives. This was poor planning. Bush may have not made the post-war plan himself, but he signed off on it. How many passes does this guy get before he is finally held responsable and fired? If this happened to Gore conservatives would be screaming for blood.



How could insurgents make off with 377 tons of high explosives when there were few insurgents at the time and fewer yet with 38 tractor-trailers and several fork lifts. And, how were they going to move 38 tractor-trailers thru the many check points? Remember, the war was just 3 weeks old when the 101st over-ran the bunker complex. How many insurgents were active in Iraq at that time?

Secondly, anyone who has any military experience knows the old adage: "The first casualty of the battle is always the battle plan." Does the phrase, "the fog of war" ring a bell? Almost nothing goes according to the plan. Not invasions, nor battles, nor presidential campaigns. Kerry will soon vouch for that. Any basic study of military history will show that wars are planned based upon the information at hand, and that information is ALWAYS flawed to some extent.

Any idiot can sit back with the benefit of hindsight and criticize the war. There's many thousands of Civil War buffs who meet monthly for "round table" discussions; where they tear apart the decisions made by Generals 140 years ago. Yet, not one of these guys could do any better. Neither could Kerry.

And I agree with some of the other posters, the FCC should fine the snot out of CBS and suspend their licence for two weeks. Let them suck up that revenue loss, while their affiliates show reruns. Maybe they will re-learn the lesson that freedom of the press isn't a mandate to manipulate the news in an overt effort to alter the election. You'd think that after the forged document debacle, they would wise up. Guess not.

Tell ya what rpm, reset your rev limiter, you're spinning out of control on this one.

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