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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2004, 07:23:07 PM »
It's up to pretty much $1000 per person now.  Am I $1000 safer?  Hell no.  Whoever did the cost/benefit analysis on this should be hanged until half-dead, drawn, and quartered.

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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2004, 07:25:24 PM »
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I imagine there were articals like this in 1946 and 47, and we are still in both Germany and Japan....


I think that comparison is too generous to the Iraqis.  It took a lot of big-brother social conditioning to turn Germans and Japanese into animals.  But it seems to just come naturally to muslims in that part of the world.

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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2004, 08:51:39 PM »
SOB,

I feel safer.  Wanna feel me?
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2004, 09:16:42 PM »
i think we should be in iraq.  the people there need help and we can help them because we are a superpower.  the USA is the #1 country in the world and it is our job much like it is the mailmans to bring freedom.  president Bush is being guided by the Lord and he will lead us to peace and happiness.

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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2004, 09:20:13 PM »
All you guys have said all this already.

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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2004, 09:29:12 PM »
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And where does it end?


Not in our lifetime (or at least what's left of it).
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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2004, 09:39:43 PM »
Some people carry on as though this is the worst war in the history of the world.

Think big picture. 258 billion? You think the history books are going to sight that as an important issue of our times?

Bush had no choice but to use the forces we deployed in the region. The forces we put on the ground made Saddam allow inpections again, yet he was still playing games with everyone.

Bush had intelligence from around the world which pointed to Iraq as a threat. We had the forces in place, we had what was presented by almost the whole world as a threat, we had Saddam fediddleing us around and we had a large force sitting on thier hands while Saddam played the UN like a cheap piano.

If I were Bush, I would have made the same decision. I repect Bush for making a difficult call.

And yes, it was a tough call. Bush had NOTHING to gain politically or economically in going to war in Iraq. He made the decision to not take a chance with Iraq. Too many things were unresolved rergarding Iraq's compliance.

The decision to go to  war was made based on sound judgment using all the factors at the time, as well as the past 12 years of experience dealing with that Clown in Iraq.

If someone does not see this, I can't change their mind. In my mind, our President stood up to the plate and made the difficult, but necessary call to go into Iraq.
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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2004, 11:12:48 PM »
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Bush had no choice but to use the forces we deployed in the region. The forces we put on the ground made Saddam allow inpections again, yet he was still playing games with everyone.


Step away from the Kool-Aid. This was absolutely a war of choice.
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2004, 11:13:41 PM »
He had everything to gain politically, NUKE.

The electoral college aside, he received less votes than his opponent, making him a president ruling by technicality rather than plurality. The word 'democracy' can hardly be trotted out by one who rules without the majority of a nation voting for you.

He was the sitting president on September 11th, 2001, and the largest budget surplus in history was being plundered into the largest deficit in history, without any war yet.

His popularity was dropping rapidly 6 months after 9-11.

Going to war against anyone is good politics in such a case. It is not good statesmanship or stewardship of the nation, but cynically effective.

Americans will always rally around the president out of a sense of patriotism to their nation and troops. They trust that their president would not lie to them and has used sound judgement before commiting Americans lives.

I believe many are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't lie about the reasons for war. However, the alternative is that he surrounded himself and heeded the advice of incompetent people, for which he is responsible for and no one else.

History is not too favorable toward Lyndon Johnson and his Vietnam legacy. And the simple lesson still not learned is that that all people will fight any perceived invader, regardless of who, or what the invader's intentions are.

You know, the administration specifically refrained from saying that 'democracy' was a goal in Iraq. There has never been any history of democracy in Iraq and the other arab leaders emphatically tried to discourage the president from invading because it would only create a quagmire and stir resentment against America. Notice how few arab troops are in Iraq? They know what they were talking about.

Leaders who rule from a minority position always try to limit those who oppose them. The Patriot Act, the banning of photos of American casualties and coffins, the refusal to acknowledge that any civilians have been killed or wounded is the stuff of pint-sized dictators, not of America.

When the first comment of the Secretary of Defense about the prison abuse is a smirking laugh that his first change is to ban cameras in military prisons, you have to ask yourself what kind of leadership this represents.

The most conservative estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths is almost 12,000. For each person killed, another 7 have been wounded for a total of over 80,000 civilians who have at least 6 friends and relatives who now hate America. That is almost 500,000 enemies in a culture of revenge... so far.

Sarah McLendon, who covered the White House for 50 years and was an equal opportunity thorn in the side to every president since Eisenhower said, "This is the worst president we've ever had." And that was before Iraq.

I have a feeling she has a handle on presidential legacies.

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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2004, 11:28:44 PM »
Rolex, where do I begin?

What did Bush have to gain politically? How has the war in Iraq helped Bush?

After 911, we did not have the biggest deficit in US history, and we still don't today.

How is going to war "against anyone" considered good politics? I thought the war in Iraq was bad politics?

The reasons for war? Bush had more reasons given to him than any modern war you can list I'd bet. What wars do you consider to be justified in the past 40 years?

Democracy was never  the goal in Iraq. Eliminating Iraq as a threat was the goal. Mission accomplished.

Leaders ruling from a minority position? Like Saddam? In the US, we have the Senate, the House and the Presidency....ALL voted into office by Americans. They all voted to go to war in Iraq. So much for your "minority"

Sarah, as a  reporter means what to whom?

Wanna debate a point?
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« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2004, 11:29:55 PM »
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Step away from the Kool-Aid. This was absolutely a war of choice.


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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2004, 11:34:50 PM »
Yeah, "We shrecked up, but only could have known that after shrecking up."

What a rallying cry.

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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2004, 11:36:11 PM »
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Yeah, "We shrecked up, but only could have known that after shrecking up."

What a rallying cry.


What did we fugg up?

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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2004, 11:37:22 PM »
"Wanna debate a point?"

I'll pass. Thanks for the offer though. We've both made our points and going back and forth won't settle or change anything.

We'll just have to wait and see what next week and the coming years bring.

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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2004, 11:39:25 PM »
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The electoral college aside, he received less votes than his opponent, making him a president ruling by technicality rather than plurality.  


lol, yeah...the electoral votes are just a "technicality"


Hate to tell you this, but the electoral college decides the Presidency.
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