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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2004, 10:02:51 AM »
Did you completely ignore the rest of my post about the magnetic card?


Can the system be manipulated? Maybe. Will it be far more reliable than the punch card system that proved to be so unreliable in the last election? I think so. Are there built-in checks to prevent fraud? I can't help but believe it to be so.
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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2004, 12:10:28 PM »
how would the card stop someone from from hacking/setting the machine to give every couple votes to whoever the hacker/programmer wanted to win (or paid him for the votes)?

say a voting machine in a predominately democratic district ends up showing 100% votes for Bush.  the magnetic card thing keeps track of who voted, and that ends up checking out OK, but how do you keep track of how many votes were actually cast for each candidate?  cards only keep track of who is voting, and if they have a right to.  you can't record the vote cast by each card or you lose the privacy of your vote.   you can't check the count when something seems wrong because all you have for proof is the very program that gave you the first answer.

kind of like needing a second opinion on a medic issue and getting it from the same DR who gave you the first one.

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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2004, 12:15:58 PM »
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Can the system be manipulated? Maybe. Will it be far more reliable than the punch card system that proved to be so unreliable in the last election? I think so. Are there built-in checks to prevent fraud? I can't help but believe it to be so.


why does it have to be one of those two flawed systems?  there are much better ways to cast ballots.

I don't know how many different ways states do it.  here we use a simple paper form.  fill in the circle next to the name of the candidate or ballot measure you wish to vote for with black or blue ink.  ballots are then read with an optical scanner.  this type of counting system has been used successfully on tests for over 30 years.  IMO this system is much better than using antique punch cards or the video-poker voting machine.

there are likely other systems used in other states that are also better than either of the two crappy systems that people think we should choose from.

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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2004, 03:02:52 PM »
It is really weak and harmful to the country to be planning to overturn the election by recounting until you get the results you want.   even nixon wasn't that sleazy.

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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2004, 05:08:53 PM »
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It is really weak and harmful to the country to be planning to overturn the election by recounting until you get the results you want.   even nixon wasn't that sleazy.

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just a simple recount probably would have given it to Nixon if the mob didnt kill him off before the recounts were finished, the mob elected JFK & then they "dismissed" him from office .... never bite the hand that feeds ya, or fed your father ...
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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2004, 06:29:26 PM »
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I couldn't imagine Abe Lincoln losing a debate.. So I find your conclusion wrong!! haha!


The Lincoln-Douglas debates took place in 1858 when both men were running for the Senate. Lincoln won the debates, but he lost the election.

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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2004, 06:50:01 PM »
You want a real forecast of the election results, watch the Redskins-Packers game this Sunday. If the Redskins win the game before the election, the incumbent wins. It has been 100% accurate for the past 15 elections. Go Skins.

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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2004, 07:09:43 PM »
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...FWIW I voted for Nixon in 72 when I was in second grade. Must have appreciated his foreign policy inititatives :)

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OMG Charon, I had a flashback of this when I read this thread. Exact same story, Nixon and the second grade. I can still hear the kids chanting "McGovern stinks, McGovern rots, McGovern eats his booger snots".

Grownup elections have not come much further than that, have they? ;)
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2004, 08:37:05 PM »
LOL Dux, I can't disagree :)

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