Author Topic: Proof that B17 couldn't dive bomb (Read 1428 times)

Callisto · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2004, 02:00:32 PM »

What if bomb bay doors are made openable only while autopilot is engaged?

ccvi · « **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2004, 02:20:34 PM »

Why dive bomb in a B17 when the Ju88 is designed for it AND carries more ordnance?

lada · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2004, 03:07:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
Due to AH not modeling High Altitude lack of oxygen and heat (by way of pilot oxygen systems not modeled and wing icing, etc. not modeled) the B17s have had their wing deicing boots removed, so no high speed effect is induced.

This is the same reason why we see planes with no O2 systems flying at 20K+

Yeeaaah Zombies in 20k+ Yaks rule AH

Pyro · « **Reply #18 on:** October 27, 2004, 03:16:55 PM »

I commented about structural limits in another thread a couple weeks ago. As it turns out, structural limits have not been working correctly and that hasn't helped matters.

Midnight · « **Reply #19 on:** October 27, 2004, 03:46:27 PM »

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Originally posted by ccvi
Why dive bomb in a B17 when the Ju88 is designed for it AND carries more ordnance?

Unfortunately, the JU88 is slower and has ineffective defensive armament.

Stratocaster · « **Reply #20 on:** October 27, 2004, 03:47:44 PM »

Let them do it... DONT MAKE ANY MORE STUPID THINGS LIKE THE GEAR WONT GO DOWN AT CERTAIN SPEED. MAKE BOMBERS FLY APART IF THEY DIVE. Not not be able to dive bomb. NO stupid flap and gear retention speed limits stuff. On a real bomber they could drop bombs when they wanted pshh . GV tards

streetstang · « **Reply #21 on:** October 27, 2004, 03:50:05 PM »

who cares what bombers do?

I mean really. Do you lose sleep over it? If you do I'm sorry for you.

eagl · « **Reply #22 on:** October 27, 2004, 06:24:17 PM »

Thx for the update Pyro. You guys never give up and that's cool.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 27, 2004, 06:55:51 PM »

My father-in-law was in the gunnery training command in WWII. In the beginning of the war he would make mock attacks in AT 6s on B-17s. The gunners in the B-17 would “shoot” gun cameras at his plane; the film would be developed after landing.
At the end of a mission the B-17 pilot (a good pal of his) informed him that his gunners were out of film and that he could head back to base. Bill wheeled his T-6 over and spiral dove at about 45 degrees, power-off to dump his altitude. After a few turns he looked back for some reason. Right on his six, turning inside him at a very steep angle was the B-17 (with a full crew aboard).

B-17s could dive.

eskimo

KootDawg · « **Reply #24 on:** October 27, 2004, 07:25:37 PM »

Quite interesting Eskimo.

My Father in laws cousin was the bombadier on the "Enola Gay(I think I spelled it right)," Major Thomas M. Ferebee and he commented befor he died that the B-29 could dive bomb somewhat but was not recommended for it was a very high alt bomber. All of the bombers could dive boomb in one form or another just you had to fly within its limits.

Mak333 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 27, 2004, 08:37:41 PM »

Im sure the "dive bombing" they are talking about is alot more realistic than a "dive bomb" in AH2. Im assuming they would be talking about a quick dive, release and pull out. Dive boming in AH2 is literally putting your plane into a -60 degree angle. I dont think many B17's were able to surpass that for a good 30 seconds and let the plane pull itself out.

TBolt A-10 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 27, 2004, 09:59:44 PM »

w00t! HT has the "evidence" that he was asking for. wtg!

bye bye divebombing heavies.

KootDawg · « **Reply #27 on:** October 28, 2004, 05:51:38 AM »

Yeah 60 degree dives in a heavy...... That plane ain't recovering from that. Gravity takes its grasp on the plane......

The flight restrictions on the heavies do need to be tightened up. Stalling them and diving down is one thing not a very good chance of surviving a real flight doing that but about 60% with a very experienced pilot.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #28 on:** October 28, 2004, 07:34:45 AM »

Just wondering. Has there ever been a case of the pilot being able to drop bombs from a 17 instead of the bombadier?
Was it even possible?

If not the obvious solution is simple. Dont allow bombs to be dropped cept from the bombadiers position.
Then nobody would have to worry about structurable limits working correctly

If you cant fire your forward guns from the pilots position then you shouldnt be able to drop bombs either

Midnight · « **Reply #29 on:** October 28, 2004, 08:39:45 AM »

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Originally posted by eskimo2
Right on his six, turning inside him at a very steep angle was the B-17 (with a full crew aboard).

B-17s could dive.

eskimo

Yeah, maybe a B17 without an extra 6000 pounds of bombs and 1000+ pounds of real guns and ammo, and who knows what else that was stripped out of a training B17 (like extra armor plate, etc)

That story may be true, but the B17s we are talking about are equipped for combat, not training.