What would be so hard...

[Goth]

about modelling blackouts due to lack of oxygen. Certain planes were not designed for high altitude and had no oxygen equipment. We already have a blackout model, so what's the problem?

[airbumba]

That would punish all us guys that use up all the Oxygen at low alts to rid ourselves of our hangovers.  

[Wurger]

That would be interesting, and may help keep some folks for trying to win the 2nd X-Prize

Bazi

[Kev367th]

Deleted for thread steal.

[Midnight]

Been dicussed dozens of times. I don't think HTC has ever said anything about it either.

We SHOULD have O2 systems in aircraft that had them. The O2 systems should be added to the damage list also.

If a pilot is above 16K, lack of O2 should begin to cause blackouts.

It's realistic and should be added to AH.

[Paul33]

Whats thread steal?

Just a wonderer wondering about...

-Paul

[Pyro]

Originally posted by Goth
about modelling blackouts due to lack of oxygen. Certain planes were not designed for high altitude and had no oxygen equipment. We already have a blackout model, so what's the problem?

What planes are you referring to?

[Mitsu]

At least Japanese planes had oxygen equipment.

BTW the black out might be good idea if plane's oxygen generator is damaged at high altitude...

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Mitsu
At least Japanese planes had oxygen equipment.

BTW the black out might be good idea if plane's oxygen generator is damaged at high altitude...

Reading over McGuire's manual, he points out the locations of the oxygen tanks for the various Japanese fighters and suggests that the pilot aim for these areas.  Since a lot of them were located right behind the pilot's seat and with the lack of armor on some of the Japanese planes, a hit in this area I would presume would be fatal to both plane and pilot.



ack-ack

[Midnight]

Originally posted by Pyro
What planes are you referring to?

I believe the La5 and La7 are a couple that did not have O2 systems, right?

I'm sure someone here would have a detailed list of what planes had O2 systems and what the capacity was for each.

[lada]

Originally posted by Pyro
What planes are you referring to?

Yak-9U for example

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Reading over McGuire's manual, he points out the locations of the oxygen tanks for the various Japanese fighters and suggests that the pilot aim for these areas.  Since a lot of them were located right behind the pilot's seat and with the lack of armor on some of the Japanese planes, a hit in this area I would presume would be fatal to both plane and pilot.



ack-ack

The deal with McGuire and other pilots in the Pacific was they aimed for the bottle because many Japanese planes used high pressure O2 systems, and were known for their tendency to burn anyway. The idea was to set them on fire and feed the fire with high pressure O2. Nasty. As Pappy Boyington said "Hit Zekes from high and behind, they burn like celluloid". A good raking from high and behind would usually get the O2 bottle and some fuel lines or tanks. Incendiaries to start the fire and AP to pop the O2 bottle and there you go.

[Pyro]

If you guys want to argue about who's better than whom, start your own thread.  Don't hijack existing ones.

[Pyro]

Back to the topic, off the top of my head I can't think of any plane in AH that didn't have O2.  The Lavochkins had it.  Lada, are you saying that the Yak-9U specifically deleted O2 or are you saying Yaks in general did not have O2?  I'm not talking about whether it would be carried or not due to mission profile.

[Midnight]

Nice to have someone from HTC joining this discussion.

If the aircraft had O2 systems or not, can we at least see the O2 system modelled as a system that can be damaged?

Perhaps we could add an O2 pressure gauge? If O2 pressure is used up, or system is damaged, then pilot being above 16K altitude will gradually start blacking out? Not the fast "pilot wounded" balckout, but a sustained slowly increasing blackout that takes a couple minutes to reach complete darkness.