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Kerry's Dishonorable Discharge? Prosecution for Treason?
« on: October 27, 2004, 06:47:46 PM »
Excerpts From:http://federalistpatriot.us/alexander/edition.asp?id=279

"...Kerry has consistently refused to sign a Standard Form 180 authorizing the Department of Defense to release all of his records....

For his part, Kerry claims he received an "Honorable Discharge" and that all his records have been released and are posted on his website, Kerry-04.com -- uh, make that JohnKerry.com. But Kerry has refused to say when he received an Honorable Discharge. Indeed, some of his military records are posted on his site -- but not all of them. Here, an experienced eye can read enough into what has been released by Kerry to develop a good profile of what hasn't been released.

It is our considered opinion, therefore, that John Kerry was separated from the military under a less than honorable discharge.

Among Kerry's released records is a 1977 cover letter from Jimmy Carter's Navy Secretary, W. Graham Claytor. What is revealing about this document is that it notes Kerry's original discharge was subject to review by a "board of officers" -- yet no such review should be necessary for an Honorable Discharge.

The review was conducted in accordance with "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163," which pertains to grounds for involuntary separation from military service.

As many Vietnam veterans who served their nation with dignity and honor will recall, Jimmy Carter's first official act as president was the signing of Executive Order 4483 --less than an hour after his inauguration on 21 January 1977. EO 4483 provided general amnesty for draft evaders, war protesters and other offenders of that era. Its corresponding, and equally dubious, DoD directive took effect in March of 1977, expanding that amnesty to include separation from military service by other than honorable discharges. The DoD specified an appeal procedure whereby discharges could be reviewed on an individual basis to determine whether the status of a particular discharge could be revised.

Having lost his first bid for Congress, Kerry no doubt decided that his political future would be brighter as a war hero rather than a war protestor. While there are several categories of discharges beneath honorable, including general, medical, bad conduct and other than honorable, it is very likely that Kerry's discharge was dishonorable.

Supporting this assertion is the fact that Kerry had all his medals mysteriously reinstated in 1985. He claims that he lost his medal certificates (perhaps these are what he famously threw over that Capitol fence in protest), but when a military officer is subject to a Dishonorable Discharge, in addition to the loss of pay benefits and allowances, all medals and honors are revoked. In any case, it would be a cinch for John Kerry to refute our claim by simply signing that Standard Form 180. But he won't. Nor will hard-hitting journalists like Katie Couric and Dr. Phil press him on this issue.

Thus, while Kerry can correctly say -- thanks to Jimmy Carter -- that he received an Honorable Discharge, he could also say with equal precision that he received "other than honorable discharge." His activities as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War were, indeed, forgiven by Carter's EO 4483 and the subsequent DoD directive.

However, according to legal scholars, John Kerry's meetings with enemy agents from Communist North Vietnam on multiple occasions between 1970 and 1972 are not covered under EO 4483. For that reason, we delivered to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft on Monday of this week a "Petition for Investigation and Indictment," calling on the Department of Justice to determine conclusively whether Kerry's actions, in direct violation of UCMJ (Article 104 part 904), U.S. Code (18 USC Sec. 2381 and 18 USC Sec. 953) and other applicable laws and acts of Congress, constitute treason. (To read the text of the petitioners' request, go to http://patriotpetitions.us/kerry/letter.asp )

Why prosecute Kerry now?

In October, 2003, Mr. Kerry chose to make his disputed Vietnam War record the centerpiece of his campaign for the presidency. In response, the more than 180,000 signatories of the above-referenced petition chose to make Mr. Kerry's war record the centerpiece of their campaign to determine whether his actions are subject to the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3.

The pertinent language states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

While it is clear that no action will be taken on the petitioners' request prior to 2 November, we remain committed to holding Senator Kerry accountable for his actions regardless of the outcome of his presidential bid. Indeed, we are all committed to serving Kerry with an irrevocable dishonorable discharge from public office.

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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2004, 06:51:18 PM »
Kerry's trial should be right after Bush's AWOL and failure to obey a direct order trial.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2004, 06:56:31 PM »
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Kerry's trial should be right after Bush's AWOL and failure to obey a direct order trial.

Kerry has already had his hearings, he just won't release them to the country he wants to be president of.

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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2004, 02:22:04 AM »
Well there's a good example of media bias:lol  Highly implausible and no evidence whatsoever but a rattling good yarn.  You know, Kerry would have been better off it he had dodged the war like one or two others

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2004, 02:45:16 AM »
This...this is the best you can come up with?

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2004, 03:34:20 AM »
John Kerry saved a man's life, shot and killed a Vietcong, and did not lose any crew members.  

Would not surprise me one bit if the military gave him a dishonorable discharge.

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2004, 03:40:08 AM »
Yeah, good for Kerry and a big to him for that.

However, he then went on to meet with the North Vietnamese illegally ( twice) and also lied about war atrocities he said he witnessed in VN.

Kerry also admitted he that he commited war atrocities himself.

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2004, 05:20:31 AM »
he's a WAR HERO!!!

"REPORTING FOR DUTY!!!"

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2004, 09:50:06 AM »
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Well there's a good example of media bias:lol  Highly implausible and no evidence whatsoever but a rattling good yarn.  You know, Kerry would have been better off it he had dodged the war like one or two others


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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2004, 10:41:08 AM »
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bill clinton comes to mind:aok


And Dick Cheney.

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2004, 10:47:38 AM »
Hey all.
 I just went on the Kerry web site. His DD-214 is there and says he did get an honorable discharge. Why don't you guys do a little more reaserach FIRST!
 I'm voting for Bush and you're making us look bad.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2004, 11:02:05 AM »
Kerry is a self-grandizing,  self-centered condescending slime bag, that is by now pretty well proven and accepted.  Whats the point?

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2004, 11:02:23 AM »
DD 214 is not a form-it's your entire record of service, which is what Kerry refuses to release

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2004, 11:04:13 AM »
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Well there's a good example of media bias:lol  Highly implausible and no evidence whatsoever but a rattling good yarn.  You know, Kerry would have been better off it he had dodged the war like one or two others

All he has to do is sign that little old form 180
 Looks like he's hiding some dirt to me, but then I always knew he was a traitor

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2004, 11:08:01 AM »
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Kerry's trial should be right after Bush's AWOL and failure to obey a direct order trial.

 Ya know, thats funny, Bush signed his 180, Kerry won't
 That does'nt ring any alarm bells in your head ?