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Offline Halo

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« on: October 27, 2004, 08:35:53 PM »
After all the money and effort spent on the presidential ad campaigns, think back to when you first started considering who  would get your presidential vote in 2004.

Did the campaigns change your mind at all?
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Offline DieAz

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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2004, 08:46:15 PM »
no

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2004, 08:46:20 PM »
I hadn't really made up my mind, but neither of the biggies convinced me.
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2004, 09:19:33 PM »
To be quite honest, I am still not sure who I will pull the lever for. There are major differences in the two, if one really believes they'll do what they promise. But that never happens (e.g., Bush Sr. "no new taxes", Clinton "health care reform", Bush W. "no nation building"). So in the end it amounts to electing a figure head.

Electing Kerry will not change much. Electing Bush will change nothing. What scares me are the Pat Robertsons behind Bush. Its seems more and more their doctrine is becomming about hatred and alienation of others. Could any thinking human being believe the US would be immune to religious fanatics and bigots that are responsible for the seathing hatred common in other countries?The fanatics behind Bush scare me, and I'd hate the thought of empowering them.

In any case, I think we are more and more becomming a nation devided. Each election gets dirtier.

Edit: And just a note, this election is most important because of the justices that will be appointed. That has no effect on the rest of the world, only us citizens. Bush is fond of saying he doesn't want government telling people how to live. But it seems they want to stack the Supreme Court to make sure they CAN tell you how to live. I guess I am leaning more to Kerry. Somehow, he seems less like "Big Brother" government. A liberal Supreme Court has historicaly erred on the side of individual liberty.
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Re: Change Your Mind for President?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2004, 09:32:44 PM »
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Did the campaigns change your mind at all?


No.
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2004, 09:42:00 PM »
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After all the money and effort spent on the presidential ad campaigns, think back to when you first started considering who would get your presidential vote in 2004.

Did the campaigns change your mind at all?



Yes, it did.  I am a Republican, but I am going to vote for Kerry now.  I used to be a big supporter of Bush.

Heres what did it for me:  Bush was so focused on capturing Iraq, he forgot to take care of Americans first.  College costs an arm and a leg, health care is skyrocketing, and our water (and fish) are filled with mercury.

I still find democrats obnoxious, but I have to vote for who is right for America.

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2004, 09:51:17 PM »
Well, I missed the election by a few months...  I've been up to date with the campaigns and such, but they havent really changed my mind.  Only reassured my vote choice.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2004, 09:51:20 PM »
no

Offline TBolt A-10

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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2004, 10:02:58 PM »
no.

i still voted for Eric Cartman.  i love absentee voting.

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2004, 10:03:09 PM »
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Each election gets dirtier.

 


Nah. You ought to read more about some of the early campaigns in our history.

It may be more of dirty politics just coming around again.
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2004, 10:05:07 PM »
Haven't each one spent billions yet on their campaigns?

Wouldn't that help the deficit?
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2004, 10:25:29 PM »
Yeah. As it stands now I'm not voting for either.

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2004, 10:57:23 PM »
Tweety, I think your view on USSC Justices are a little skued.



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" Liberty is for the brave. From the Revolutionary War to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, our men and women at arms have responded to threats to our liberty with the courage that befits a great and free people. But preservation of our liberties requires not only the physical courage of our warriors. It demands as well moral courage or civic courage on the part of all our citizens: the courage to stand up against that tyranny most feared by the Framers of our Constitution, the tyranny of the majority. This is the courage of ordinary people like Rosa Parks, of great figures like Martin Luther King, Jr., and of all those who resist popular moves to abridge constitutionally established rights, or to subvert the structure of our democracy.

    Sometimes opponents of the popular will are wrong. Civic courage is not always conjoined with civic wisdom. But better civic courage that is sometimes misdirected than no civic courage at all. When that virtue disappears from our midst, the central liberty of our democracy on which all other liberties depend, the freedom of speech, will become in effect the freedom to agree with the prevailing view. Let us resolve always to be the home of the brave - that we may always remain the land of the free."
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Bush said Scalia would be his model for choosing a nominee.

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Re: Change Your Mind for President?
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2004, 10:59:07 PM »
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Did the campaigns change your mind at all?


Yeah they made it clear that voting for either candidate would be a mistake.

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2004, 11:24:59 PM »
>>Bush said Scalia would be his model for choosing a nominee.
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And I don't believe him. Nor do I believe you're going to paint a picture of Scalia in a short post. I mean it doesn't even mention orgies.
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