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Offline JB73

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190A5 wing problem
« on: November 01, 2004, 08:23:48 PM »
possibly a glitch in the wing damage model.

normally in other planes when stress happens to the wing you hear it, then the damage happens from the stress.


in the 190A5 (only plane i hear no stress on) there is no warning, the wing tips both rip off pulling out from 390 in a medium G banked turn.

i may be wrong but shouldn't there be some "gray area" with stress on the airframe that you can hear before the instant snap?

<> HTC, everything else i have seen in AHII 2.01 seems great, and just wanted to point this possible bug out.
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2004, 08:38:57 PM »
they nurfing more LW planes...:(

oh well i suppose we all gota fly spits and p51s from now on :(
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Offline Kev367th

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2004, 10:28:46 PM »
HT has fixed the stress levels in this patch.
Well they are working again is what is said in the readme.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2004, 12:48:11 AM »
"Airframe overstress/structural limits now work again."

I'll say!


Well I logged on for my first flight, took up a D-9, immediately lost my left wing pulling out of first dive.

Went to the TA and started testing some planes. This is by no means comprehensive, just the ones I had time for.

Planes that rip wings on a 390mph pull out of a dive;
190 D-9, 190 A-5, Typhoon, Mossy (snif), P-47, F6F, Tempest.

Planes that won't rip a wing no matter how hard I try:

P-51, P-38, La-5, La-7, C205, Spit V.

Since my favorite three rides all rip wings on a pull out, I have to re-think my options.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2004, 10:33:22 AM »
all LW planes loose there wings now...great :(
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2004, 10:48:10 AM »
Don't seem right. I seem to recall Tiffy's had a problem losing tails before wings, and Spits often came back with wings bent when over-stressed. F6F should be able to take more abuse than a 38.
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2004, 11:19:45 AM »
P-51s had wing shedding issues.

The Mossie should be able to take 9 Gs without wing failure.
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Offline JB35

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2004, 02:22:53 PM »
was in a Dora few min ago . dove in on con below me and made a pass , pulled up around 400 IAS and POP their went left wing :(

As it is now you would be better off getting into a turn fight than a B&Z fight.

Just makes me want to log off more and more
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2004, 02:55:58 PM »
It's a problem that's come about due to the wing changes we made back for 2.00.  We just didn't realize there was a problem in that because the structural limits were not ever getting called.  It should be back to normal in the next patch.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2004, 02:58:17 PM »
Thx Pyro
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Offline DoKGonZo

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2004, 03:13:30 PM »
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Originally posted by Pyro
It's a problem that's come about due to the wing changes we made back for 2.00.  We just didn't realize there was a problem in that because the structural limits were not ever getting called.  It should be back to normal in the next patch.


"Back to normal" ... does that mean that structural limits will be turned off or that they'll be corrected? I kind of like B17's no longer being able to act like Stukas.
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Offline JB73

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2004, 03:22:49 PM »
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It's a problem that's come about due to the wing changes we made back for 2.00.  We just didn't realize there was a problem in that because the structural limits were not ever getting called.  It should be back to normal in the next patch.
thank you for poping in here Pyro, a quick question?

is that why there is no "stress" sound before failure? if so, that makes sense, and thank you for all the work you all are putting in on this.
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Offline Kev367th

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2004, 09:56:39 PM »
Good question, does "normal" mean structural limits will be gone again.
Hope not.
Why have reasonably good FMs then turn off structural limitations? Seems ridiculous if this is the case.

Hoping 'normal' means limits still on but you get a creaky sound to warn you.
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Offline Mugzeee

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2004, 10:16:36 PM »
Ripped both Wingtips and Alirons off a F4U-C in a Pull up trying to get on an La7 that went Vert to try and avoid me. Seemed rather excessive for the gs i was pulling.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2004, 10:26:46 PM »
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Don't seem right. I seem to recall Tiffy's had a problem losing tails before wings, and Spits often came back with wings bent when over-stressed. F6F should be able to take more abuse than a 38.


rgr Dok, Tiffys lost their tails due to over speed in a dive. It would just rip off... The entire tail.

The 38 is a STRONG plane in a dive. STRONG. The only thing that holds it back and held it back was the fact it would compress long before it would suffer from overstress at high speeds/High G manuvering. But with the use of trim to control the 38 in dives, it was able so sustain VERY high G loads to the air frame.

The F6 should hold together like a tank, it did... IRL. It was build tough for CV ops thus it was a monster when it came to taking abuse. The thing I never got about the F6 in here was the landing gear. There are true accounts of F6's falling off of the top deck to the lower deck, landing on their gear and having the gear hold together. I've set some F6's down nice and smooth on a CV and RIP! Off comes the gear. Awwell. Dont want to Hijack this thing so thats enough of that.

I didnt offer too much detail here, (sorry) but these are the basic, very basic facts. And it takes only a few moments of looking into via some credible sources to find that they are all indeed true. But I'll leave the Homework up to someone else. I've got enough of my own work to do lol. :)
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