Author Topic: Thinking about voting Conservative... (Read 1733 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #60 on:** November 07, 2004, 09:38:22 AM »

we has similar misery with the buggy whip makers of the 1890's and the typwriter workers of the 1990's..

and iron... sure... pick on poor ol harmless, defenseless lazs..

lazs

214thCavalier · « **Reply #61 on:** November 07, 2004, 12:41:53 PM »

So Beetle you forgotten all the crap the conservatives forced down our throats last time they were in ?

They also in my opinion have no credible leader, and thats also the opinion of many in the party.

And when it comes to tax cuts pre election then all parties are the same.
When elected they openly give it back with one hand while they think of ways to take it back behind your back.

Anybody who believes tax cut pledges and votes on that premise is a sucker.

Having rippled the surface of your pond i shall now retreat to the murky depths

beet1e · « **Reply #62 on:** November 07, 2004, 02:14:11 PM »

214th - you're wrong. The Cons brought income tax (top rate) down from 83% to 40%, where it has stayed ever since.

Chortle · « **Reply #63 on:** November 07, 2004, 02:53:23 PM »

Nice comparison Laz, I can just imagine whole towns and villages depending on the buggy whip and typewriter industries, buggy whip brass bands marching down the streets, typewriter male voice choirs singing....brings a tear to my eye.

Beetle, I remember power cuts and to be honest really enjoyed them. We sang revolutionary songs round the fire drinking vodka and eating borsch.

Dowding · « **Reply #64 on:** November 08, 2004, 04:48:18 AM »

lol Chortle

Shame I've been away these last few days, would have contributed. Although that thread Beetle posted above does have most of what I wanted to say in it.

One thing I will say about the whole Miner's strike, to sum up, relates to the arrogance of the Southern bastards brought into the fray by Thatcher. The Metropolitan Police force or 'Met' posted "You've met the Met" stickers all over my local town during the trouble. In a way they were the spokespeople of Thatcherite maliciousness - supposed to be keeping the law, not provoking the infringement of it.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #65 on:** November 08, 2004, 06:22:24 AM »

Yeah riiiight Beetle.

Cons brought the top band of income tax for the elite 0.001% of earners down to 40%.

Well done as i agree it was extortionate anyway.
But what about everybody else ?

Btw i have been a paid member in the past as well, I have also seen how they operate at local level.
Have you been out knocking on doors canvassing for them at election time yet Beetle ?
Try it

Locally i will NEVER vote Labour, as last time they were in control they screwed us big time.
Overspending the budget on all sorts of underprivilidged do gooder crap, then they just upped and walked out of office when the going got tough in mid term!
Conservatives locally had to step in and slash and burn the budget drastically, Labour in following local elections had the cheek to try and suggest it was the conservatives who were responsible for the loss of services.

Nationally though I can admire TB for sticking to his guns and taking what he considers to be the correct course of action.

beet1e · « **Reply #66 on:** November 08, 2004, 06:35:34 AM »

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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Cons brought the top band of income tax for the elite 0.001% of earners down to 40%.

Well done as i agree it was extortionate anyway.
But what about everybody else ?

The new 40% top rate was better for everyone, because tax receipts actually went up. That's because with marginal tax rates competitive with the rest of the world, fewer felt the need to seek out a tax haven overseas, so more money was spent in Britain instead. And that can only be good.

What Labour could never work out is that you can't make 20,000,000 people better off by levying a punitive taxation burden upon a few thousand people. Labour's "soak the rich" methodology proved that. Yeah, they gave something back: The butter subsidy. Labour subsidised the price of a ½lb package of butter to the tune of ½p. Wow, that must have made some pensioners 20p a year better off.

No, I've not done any door banging or envelope stuffing.

Nashwan · « **Reply #67 on:** November 08, 2004, 07:12:21 AM »

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Cons brought the top band of income tax for the elite 0.001% of earners down to 40%.

Elite 0.001%?

The threshold for the 83% tax rate was £24,000

lazs2 · « **Reply #68 on:** November 08, 2004, 08:00:49 AM »

chortle.. whole towns were dominated by remington rand typwriters. Another example would be steel mills that were outdated and not competitive...we had a bunch of em... we don't now.

lazs

214thCavalier · « **Reply #69 on:** November 08, 2004, 09:47:51 AM »

Nashwan £24000 back then would seem a lot more than £24000 now, and besides i was exagerating

Nashwan · « **Reply #70 on:** November 08, 2004, 10:16:55 AM »

£24000 would still have hit quite a lot of people, doctors, solicitors, etc, let alone many small businessmen.

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Another example would be steel mills that were outdated and not competitive...we had a bunch of em... we don't now.

I thought you still did, that's why Bush introduced protectionist measures for them a year or two ago.