Author Topic: Water is killing me (Read 611 times)

Jasta · « **on:** November 04, 2004, 10:20:29 PM »

I have a system well above the minimum requirements. GeForce FX 5200. The animated water drops me to 10 FPS. I can't live with this.

I dont think I should have to buy an ATI in order to make this game work properly.

If anyone can fix it, please let me know. And the reason this post is not in Tech Support is because everyone needs to know about it.

Please address this HTC.

nopoop · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2004, 10:36:20 PM »

Just....turn it off.

Everybody else did

jpeg · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2004, 10:36:37 PM »

Have you updated your drivers and have the latest DirectX version installed?

gatt · « **Reply #3 on:** November 05, 2004, 12:51:51 AM »

Go figure, I have a GeForce 6800GT and I must turn animated water off. So dont worry about your FX 5200.

Its not a frame rate problem, it is simply ugly and distracting.

Shane · « **Reply #4 on:** November 05, 2004, 01:34:01 AM »

9700pro here.. i turned it off, too, but not because of framerate issues...

it looks nice when you're floating on it, but over 100 feet it's just.... semi-annoying being so "active"

ccvi · « **Reply #5 on:** November 05, 2004, 02:25:32 AM »

GeForce4 Ti4400. Turned it on to see how it looks.

I was exepcting unplayable framerate and nice graphics.

Both wrong. No big impact on frame rate, but it's too disctracting from gameplay and looks strange from certain angles.

Turned it off again.

flakbait · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2004, 06:53:47 AM »

Yup, do what everyone else did: turn it off. Aside from killing the FR on some systems, it's just plain ugly. On mine there was no big FR strike, but I killed it anyway; FS2k2 has better water animation.

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EN4CER · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2004, 07:14:26 AM »

Turn that crap off - Hurts the eyes anyway

Skuzzy · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2004, 07:27:07 AM »

The FX5200 cannot run shaders well at all. This is pretty well known throughout the video card/gaming industry. There is nothing we can do about it.

Jasta · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2004, 04:56:57 PM »

Sorry to be so assinine about this, but if you are going back to increase compatability for people without T&L, why shouldn't compatability be a point with a mid-level card? And from what ive been hearing, FX5200 is not the only card suffering.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2004, 05:07:19 PM »

Well, it is not a compatibility issue. And yes, there are other cards that suffer performance problems when running shaders. We cannot alter the designed performance limitations of a video card. In general, the FX5xxx series executes shaders rather poorly, but it is a design problem with the architecture.
This has been well documented all over the Internet. Check any game forum and ask about it.

Due to the issues with shader performance with many cards, there is a check box to disable this. That is how you get around the performance problem.
Cards that do not suport T&L, do not even have the option of running shaders.

Tarmac · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2004, 05:14:50 PM »

Works fine on my old GF4ti4200, no big FR hit. Just too bright and distracting, so it got turned off.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2004, 05:19:47 PM »

The GF4 series does not support SM2.0, so it does the water in a different manner (SM1.3), which also lacks the random motion of the SM2.0 capable cards.
Unfortunately, the lower end of the FX5xxx line claims to support SM2.0, but does so rather poorly. To the extent of not really being useable.

We cannot really effect the performance of shaders. It is very video card specific. If you are not happy with the performance of the shaders, then turn them off. It really is that simple.

Waffle · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2004, 05:22:33 PM »

Skuzzy,

How's it working on your P4 / ATI x800?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2004, 05:27:28 PM »

Very well. I really cannot tell the difference in performance.

EDIT: Note, I am probably not a good person to ask these types of questions. And the system Waffle is referring to, is my system at home.