Author Topic: screw this! (Read 1285 times)

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2004, 05:23:56 PM »

well, I haven't flown this month, just got back from 2 weeks in bush Alaska.

I was 101 and 9 in the 190A8 last month, you hit a plane with those 4 cannons and the puppy goes down. Shreds buffs too. Most fighter kills are one burst, two at the most.

I don't like the Spits, they are way slow. but they do have Hizookas.

Just because the 190 20mm aren't as good as the Hispanos doesn't equate to being poor.

I only shoot from D200 and under. I also rarely allow myself to go under 300 mph unless climbing. Up close and personal the 151/20's seen pretty deadly to me. Obviously I'm in a minority.

Sikboy · « **Reply #16 on:** November 08, 2004, 11:49:08 AM »

According to Tony William's site, the Hispano had a heavier round, moving at a higher MV. It should be no wonder that it's a significantly better gun than the 151/20. I mean, each hispano round is 28mm longer than the 151/20 round.

As a Yak Flyer, I think the differences are simliar between the ShVAK and Hispano, with the ShVAK round being 11 mm shorter. Although I notice the difference more in range, than in hitting power (my aim is for ****, and I have to close in a LOT closer to hit with the ShVAK, than with a Hizooka, or .50). I imagine this has something to do with MV, but I really don't know.

When it comes to the Elephant guns though, I've never noticed the 30mm to be at all underpowered. Especially if you consider how many rounds you are hitting with. Compare the single 30mm on a Ta-152, or a 109G, to the 4 Hispanos on the CHOG and Tampoon, and I'm sure you can see the difference in weight of fire alone.

-Sik

dedalos · « **Reply #17 on:** November 08, 2004, 03:19:19 PM »

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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Anyone who says the Luftwobble planes has poor guns is a bit suspect on their experience IMHO.

Maybe if the JBs get out of their spits and learn how to fly the LW planes, then maybe . . . . .. oh, never mind

humble · « **Reply #18 on:** November 08, 2004, 03:22:05 PM »

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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
well, I haven't flown this month, just got back from 2 weeks in bush Alaska.

I was 101 and 9 in the 190A8 last month, you hit a plane with those 4 cannons and the puppy goes down. Shreds buffs too. Most fighter kills are one burst, two at the most.

I don't like the Spits, they are way slow. but they do have Hizookas.

Just because the 190 20mm aren't as good as the Hispanos doesn't equate to being poor.

I only shoot from D200 and under. I also rarely allow myself to go under 300 mph unless climbing. Up close and personal the 151/20's seen pretty deadly to me. Obviously I'm in a minority.

Foder...

You know the JB's bring along handlers to hold down the babyseals for em:D

Obviously we're dealing with a defective seal holder here:aok

J/K....actually fun having you guys as kniggits <>

JB73 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 08, 2004, 05:30:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Scrap
Ahem.... Our 190A5 performs in NO way like the lead-brick Chog.

actually if you read his post, he's talking to the pre-perked and weighted down Chog of the olden days.

back then the 190A5 was avaliable with similar handling... yet not flown 1/8 the ammount. why?

guns.

LePaul · « **Reply #20 on:** November 08, 2004, 10:09:06 PM »

I feel your pain, sounds like a bad night?

Look, I'm forever amazed that in all these threads, people request all these new airplanes. And now we have oodles to select from. Yet anytime I go into the Main Arena and play, all I see are Spits and La7s !!

Zanth · « **Reply #21 on:** November 09, 2004, 12:25:09 PM »

No one is saying the hispano isnt the best gun in the game are they? I dont think the german guns so bad as it is the hispano is so good that they seem poor in comparison.

Someone post that picture of the ammo all side by side - that explained it pretty well to me.

Sikboy · « **Reply #22 on:** November 09, 2004, 01:14:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Zanth
No one is saying the hispano isnt the best gun in the game are they? I dont think the german guns so bad as it is the hispano is so good that they seem poor in comparison.

Someone post that picture of the ammo all side by side - that explained it pretty well to me.

The 151/20 is the the 20x82 round (I believe) the Hispano is 20x110.

I Know theres another shot out there that has the 30mm in there (and a .50 and a bunch of others) but I don't know where it is.

-Sik

Sikboy · « **Reply #23 on:** November 09, 2004, 01:20:30 PM »

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2aircart2.jpg

No sooner had I posted, than I found this lol.

The picture is huge though, so I didn't want to embed it.

-Sik

KCDitto · « **Reply #24 on:** November 10, 2004, 07:46:29 PM »

WOW,

Those are cool pics.

I guess I need to clarify what the hell I am complaining about.

I have flown sims starting in 96. I fly LW planes all the time. I have been flying the FW in AH for 3 years.

WHAT I am upset about is that with this new patch things are different.

I ahve made films of multipal hits with 20's and 30's and yes the planes are damaged. But not like they USED to be.

I used to mak HO passes on a formation with my A-8 taking out 2 planes on first pass.

Now they hit and maybe take out a wing or leave em smoking.

So, can we agree that with the new patch the guns are not as potent as they once were?

Yes they are not as strong as the Hizooka

AKcurly · « **Reply #25 on:** November 11, 2004, 12:06:27 AM »

Here is an image posted by Pyro several years ago.

AKcurly · « **Reply #26 on:** November 11, 2004, 12:20:07 AM »

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Originally posted by KCDitto
WOW,
I ahve made films of multipal hits with 20's and 30's and yes the planes are damaged. But not like they USED to be.

I used to mak HO passes on a formation with my A-8 taking out 2 planes on first pass.

Yes they are not as strong as the Hizooka

Hey 77,

If you fire at convergence, then all sprites you see will more than likely have a good fraction of 30mms. However, if you aren't firing at convergence, then you have no way of knowing whether the hit sprites are 13mm, 20mm or 30mm.

Hit a buff wing with 3 30mm and it's going down. Hit a buff fuselage with 3 or more 30mm and bad things have just happened to the buff.

The buff has a better gun platform than an attacker, right? He's (more than likely) flying level and he's tracking his tracers right onto your plane. You're being whacked by (4 50s) x however many see you. You may well have 12 50s firing at you. Just as bad, if you are flying towards the buff, your velocity gets added into the 50cals hitting you.

There is no safe attack against a b17. Directly above it and across the wings is almost impossible to stop though. The b24 is extremely vulnerable to overhead attacks since the top turret doesn't traverse all the way.

I would venture to say that a really good gunner in a b17 is completely impervious to a known single plane attack.

curly

Sikboy · « **Reply #27 on:** November 11, 2004, 11:32:25 AM »

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Originally posted by KCDitto

WHAT I am upset about is that with this new patch things are different.

There have been several changes in the way damage is applied to drones. That could have something to do with it.

-Sik

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #28 on:** November 11, 2004, 12:49:18 PM »

The Hispano's ballistics is a far bigger advantage than their lethality. It's almost like a .50 cal.

Gunners do seem to dole out an amazing number of 1st-hit engine kills and pilot wounds - it ain't just the Fw.

Also, the apparently reduced lethality from dead-6 shots for all weapons has come up in other threads lately.

The 190's handling also is a factor in their level of use in the MA. As Foker mentioned, they don't turn at all well ... the A5 ain't as bad. The roll rate is intoxicating, but the low-speed handling when coming over the top is real harsh. And the onset spin when making a break turn calls for a very different touch when flying the plane. The Corsair is comparatively tame in these regards.

indy007 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 11, 2004, 02:20:39 PM »

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Originally posted by KCDitto
WOW,

I guess I need to clarify what the hell I am complaining about.

I have flown sims starting in 96. I fly LW planes all the time. I have been flying the FW in AH for 3 years.

WHAT I am upset about is that with this new patch things are different.

I ahve made films of multipal hits with 20's and 30's and yes the planes are damaged. But not like they USED to be.

That's really wierd. I'm having the exact opposite results. I fighter sweep in a G10 with just the 30mm or 3x20mm setups (depends if i expect bombers or not). My fighter accuracy jumped 2% since the patch came out. My attack accuracy jumped 28% so far this month.

I think part of it is that I'm getting more patient, waiting for better sight pictures, and being more conservative with guns (only 60 30mm rounds do that to ya). However, I did feel like it was easier to hit with LW guns when 2.01 came out. As for the Hispano... well, now I really, really appreciate the C-Hog after flying it on & off this month.