"Values" vote fact or fiction?

[Ripsnort]

Interesting article put out by the Propoganda Times, so take it for what its journalistically worth. A short rehash of a paragraph that had me nodding like an infant to a fat breast...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/opinion/06brooks.html?hp
But the same insularity that caused many liberals to lose touch with the rest of the country now causes them to simplify, misunderstand and condescend to the people who voted for Bush. If you want to understand why Democrats keep losing elections, just listen to some coastal and university town liberals talk about how conformist and intolerant people in Red America are. It makes you wonder: why is it that people who are completely closed-minded talk endlessly about how open-minded they are?

[Toad]

Yeah, I had that thought too. It's pretty concisely expressed there.

When a person has a major screw up, he can look inside or look outside for the cause. Either may end up being the valid reason but if one foregoes the looking inside I think there's greater risk of screwing up again.

[lazs2]

I don't know if this is "values" but I think the insane liberalism of the race scared the crap out of people and got em off their butt to vote...

michelle moore probly got out 300,000+ votes for Bush... springstein and "black leaders" ditto.  

I don't think kerrie lied enough, or convincingly enough, about how he wasn't a liberal anymore.

I have watched liberals on shows now claim that the democrats weren't radical liberal enough... like that will get the pot smokers off the couch and to the polls...

lazs

[Otto]

The point he made that Bush won across the board is a better one.  There was no single group that 'won it' for him. He got more votes everywhere.  He even did better in Massachusetts than in 2000.

So, to answer you question.  I'd have to say 'fiction'

[Dead Man Flying]

Fiction.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[1K0N]

The mental image of the child with her dad at the pro kerry rally having the signs ripped up from her hands, tears falling from her face would make one consider that "values" were as much to do with the Bush victory then anything else... My values would have been to leave them alone and let them enjoy freedom ,the lefts values actually accounted for the child having to experience poor values...  Kerry sign holders were left alone where Bush sign holders were Spat on and actually had bottles thrown at them, these are values that I dont except as Right values...
 Deep down 52 percent of america realized that the left represents poor values, excepts rude behavior as the norm and really shouldnt be excepted or even tolerated... If any party should be represented with the term Nazi party the dems sure earned it. But retrospect to your hearts content the Dem party will not be a factor to worry about as long as Mike Moore is involved in its politics..
Goodbye to the party of irrational hate...

XO
IKON

[Dead Man Flying]

Six out of seven of the major models of elections in political science predicted the popular outcome exactly -- a roughly three point difference in favor of Bush.

None of these models include "values."  They are all based on various economic and public opinion measures.  If non-"value" models perfectly predicted this election, how can we lend much credence to the media-friendly "values" version?  I don't.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[GRUNHERZ]

Here is an intresting thing I noticed.

I mostly watch CNN for my news and this network seemingly mentions the term "moral values" every 15 seconds when the election results are discussed. However when I spent some time  watching fox news coverage of the election outcomes the values thing was not nearly so prominent.

Now obviously I watch CNN a lot more so I understand that I only got a short sample from fox  but I did find it surprising consdering the general repuation of fox as a conservative network which made me assume they would be harping the conservative moral values angle.

What do you guys think?

[strk]

"Values" and evangelical turnout myth used to hide massive voter fraud!  

[ra]

The "evangelical Christian voter" is the new "Neocon".  Just a make-believe sinister enemy the Dems use to mask the fact that they are in melt down.

[NUKE]

Grun, after you view Fox for awhile, you can really see how skewed CNN actually is.

I watch a lot of news from many sources.... the only TV I usualy watch is news, History channel and a maybe a documentory or two.

I think CNN is biased and is using the "morality" issue to try to inflame liberals even more. They are using it to try to say the the Liberal view is not "moral".

I have seen CNN interviews with New Yorkers "on the street"  and they seem to play on the issue when they pose questions to the locals.

To me it seems that CNN was shocked to find out that they are not in the majority and are trying to make some sense of what happened. They are looking to label a skapegoat.

[Dago]

If you want to understand why Democrats keep losing elections, just listen to some coastal and university town liberals talk about how conformist and intolerant people in Red America are. It makes you wonder: why is it that people who are completely closed-minded talk endlessly about how open-minded they are?

Rarely have I read anything I agree with more.

Regarding Fox news coverage versus CNN, I honestly believe Fox is more balanced, just as they say.  They will cover both sides of an arguement, and have the liberals as well represented as the conservatives.  My opinion anyway.  The network news doesnt even come close to unbiased and balanced.

I think it does help these comparisons if you read Bernard Goldbergs books to give yourself some understanding of the way bias manifests itself in news presentation.

dago

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by strk
"Values" and evangelical turnout myth used to hide massive voter fraud!  

Yep. The liberal  media pushes the values thing so that stories about Democratic party tricks like slashing the tires of republican get out the vote busses, storming GOP headquarters, dead voters, sign staling, denying voters a choice of candidates, shooting at GOP buildings and other general left wing vandalism can be ignored...

Its really nice of you to be so honest about thius strk, I applaud you...  

[rpm]

I just have 2 questions and will don my flamesuit...

1) When did being a liberal become a bad thing? Liberals have done some of this country's finest work. Liberals drug us out of the depression with public works programs putting impoverished people to work and at the same time providing electricity and running water to a major chunk of the nation. Liberals gave us equal rights. No longer do black children and white children drink from seperate water fountains or learn at seperate schools. Liberals also passed hate crimes laws. No longer can biggots violate the civil rights of others without reppercussions for their hate. Yes, many of the high points of American history are marked by the blood, sweat and tears of liberals.

2) When did they switch colors for Republicans and Democrats? Republicans were always blue and Democrats red. WTF??

[NUKE]

rpm, your party used to be in touch with America, but now it is not. Kind of simple to see really.

Don't view things as "liberal" or "conservative" and then find your place in the big picture......that's my humble advice.