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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2004, 07:30:04 PM »
My 512 dsl pings my buddys machine in germany @ 42ms.... I live in the midwest

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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2004, 07:34:54 PM »
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Can anyone show me a sub 100 MS ping to yahoo off a residential DSL connection?  Unless the   technology has be changed then I doubt you will see much better than 200 MS or so.


on some kind of dsl:

ping yahoo.com
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 159.079/162.569/178.864/5.794 ms

This of course is above 100 ms, because it includes ~ 100 ms for the hop cross-atlantic.

last mile is
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 58.536/61.067/63.564/1.649 ms

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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2004, 07:48:19 PM »
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My 512 dsl pings my buddys machine in germany @ 42ms.... I live in the midwest


At the speed of light cross atlantic is about 30 ms. So this number seems to be a bit low ;)

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« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2004, 08:10:22 PM »
Skuzzy is the winner to this debate!
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Although,
He may want to rethink the ping concept of his too....

"Also note, you are talking about ping times. Those have nothing to do with the electrical interface. Ping times are not effected by the choice of DSL or Cable.
They are effected by the number of hops you have to traverse over the Internet more than anything else."
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Ummmm,.....Skuzzy, I'm sure you know how ping works, but I think your wording was wrong on that post.:)
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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2004, 10:45:47 PM »
I'm a long time dsl user.

While I have notices some changes in latency over the last 4 years.

I'm still conncecting in the 110 to 130 range.  Not as good as the low 80's I used to get but then the internet is a much BIGGER place than it was 4 years ago.

As for the cable guys, come back here 4 years from now. Tell me you have the same blistering speed & lack of latency you have now.

Cable is notorious for being great at first. But then as people join & the pipe fills up it starts slipping.

Like skuzzy said, it VARYS greatly according to the region your in, and your distance from a phone hub.

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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2004, 11:44:14 PM »
I am not all that up on this DSL / cable stuff but I have subscribed to both, Roadrunner in NC where I lived out in the country I got  around a 1.4 meg DL 700or so upload

here in Florida I am on bellsouth DSL, I have 3meg DL 384 UL, but most times lately am getting download speeds of 376+KB a sec and can usually download a 90+meg file in under 5 or 6 minutes....

my ping in the game averages 40 to 80 depending on the time of day.

back on cable when I lived in Nc my ping in game averaged around 160 to 190

so I just have numbers to reference between the 2
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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2004, 12:00:04 AM »
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Skuzzy is the winner to this debate!
:D

I wasn't aware we were all competing...  I never had the pleasure of a DSL line beating 200 MS avg pings but it seems there are a few at least who are doing so.  I assume they must be rather close to the CO.  The short answer is to go with what gives you the best price vs. performance.  As we can see from this thread, residential service can vary significantly by a number of variables.  As I said earlier, for most folks DSL and Cable are roughly equal.  In my experience cable has tended to beat out DSL but that is my experience.

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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2004, 07:02:28 AM »
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Skuzzy is the winner to this debate!
:D

Although,
He may want to rethink the ping concept of his too....

"Also note, you are talking about ping times. Those have nothing to do with the electrical interface. Ping times are not effected by the choice of DSL or Cable.
They are effected by the number of hops you have to traverse over the Internet more than anything else."
-Skuzzy

Ummmm,.....Skuzzy, I'm sure you know how ping works, but I think your wording was wrong on that post.:)


Actually, I should have expanded on it.  The reason I stated it in that manner was due to rabbid wanting to talk about ICMP latency times.  ICMP packets could care less what they are traveling on.  The packets are so small (in a standard ping utilization) that the last mile is but a drop in the bucket when traversing the many routers you will to the destination.

Rabbid, just for your edification, I am on DSL, at home, and my ping times to Yahoo are 32ms.  I get 28ms to the AH servers in St. Louis.  My DSL is only a 768/128Kb/s connection.  That is right now, but if I run it tonight, during US prime time, the times will double.  Simply due to the Internet routers being far busier, even though my connection is still the same.  And cable users will suffer the same swings in the ping times, regardless of the speed of thier connection.

The hops/routers add more than a few milliseconds.  The time is not fixed and based on how loaed the routers/switches are, and how the ISP's in charge of those routers have adjusted priorities for the ICMP packets.
The physical distance to traverse is also a factor, but not as much as the number of hops incurred.  Your last mile will suffer the least impact, but all bets are off after the first router/switch has been incurred.

Bottomline:  You cannot state which medium is best based on Ping times to any given destination.   That is but a small portion of the overall picture.  The main qualifier should be the ISP and its network layout as it is going to determine the overall quality of the connection (which also takes into account speed, as well as latencies).
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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2004, 09:01:17 AM »
:aok ...<> Skuzzy!

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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2004, 09:24:53 AM »
DSL speeds mainly depend on your line quality & distance from your telco central office. Lots of other little variables go with it, all the way down to the quality of the wires in your phone jacks. I lived the nightmare of tech supporting it when it first rolled out.

Cable is similar, distance, line quality, and dozens of other little variables, up to and including how many splitters you have in your house.

Basically, you want whatever is best for your location. One is not superior to the other in every instance. At my house, I get 8mb down / 3 up on my cable line. My neighbor is lucky to pull 3mb on his DSL line. In my parents neighborhood, the cable is horrible. At best it was pulling 3mb down, while DSL, being so close to their central office, pulls absolutely ridiculous speeds.

And Skuzzy is dead on with the pings. For those that don't already know, if you want to see where exactly you're connection to whatever is getting latency at, or dropping packets, use "tracert " or "traceroute " depending on what OS you're running. That will tell you where your data has to route through to get where it's going. You may be sitting right next to a Cisco Catalyst switch, with a gigabit port, hooked to an oc192 link... but if the route your're on is having problems, you're still going to have crappy pings.

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« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2004, 10:59:50 AM »
I'm on earthlink DSL, have been for a couple years now. I always get ping times in the 40's to 50's to the AH server. Thats all that really matters to me :)
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« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2004, 07:02:06 PM »
i get 60-90 with road runner

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« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2004, 07:38:26 PM »
This is giving me a squealing headache.... must simplify it...does having lower ping make it easier to hit La7's in sharp angle shot?....Or is STEADY, tho higher ping, better?  %$%$ La7's..hate em....
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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2004, 04:27:15 AM »
Rumors say, that lower ping times make you lose head on crashs.

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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2004, 09:09:34 AM »
Im dialup with a somewhat slow machine (900 mhz Duron)...usually have ping of 200 + or - 10ms, at one point I lost 11 HO's in a row....I avoid em like plague now;
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