stick stirring?

[go4maw]

stick stirring
is that the little umbrella thing in my drink

[mechanic]

the worst is when someone just flops all over the place when you are 200 off him. you cut throt and flaps to slow but he is just motionless and if you dont collide with him, you lose your possition.

best tactic is to just rake the crap outta the stirrer as he strats his 'manouver'.  whats losing a few extra round compared to punishing a dweeb?

bat

[Kev367th]

Mechanic - I wish someone would film this as HTC has said they have NEVER seen it.

[Ack-Ack]

There seems to be only two tactics that most seem to employ in the MA.  Running and Stick Stirring.  Both are signs of players without any knowledge of air combat, the maneuvers or the tactics to employ them.



ack-ack

[hitech]

Kev, do not misuderstand my statement, I didn't say I havn't seen a plane flop around, what I have said I have never seen one do to stick stearing.

HiTech

[JB73]

i have been acused, but only because i fly the most unstable plane in ah    190d9.

many times i have pulled a turn and snap stalled, and try to recover as fast as i can, but the plane appears ot be "flopping"


oh well.

[acetnt367th]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
There seems to be only two tactics that most seem to employ in the MA.  Running and Stick Stirring.  Both are signs of players without any knowledge of air combat, the maneuvers or the tactics to employ them.



ack-ack

The typical response to aircraft flopping in MA is stick strirring. You accused me once of stick stirring when, in fact, the la5 that I was flying stalled violently twice.

Whats called stick stirring here can many times be traced to connection problems, stalling, ACM etc.


Acetnt

[killnu]

so how should a plane respond when it stalls? just fall nose down?  not turn every which way moving along same axis?  then keeping E, just leveling out and following you.  somebody brought up control surfaces in MA on 200 to me, said plane should just fall straight down, is that correct?  if so, those who have posted about stalling and regaining control are not what i was talking about.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by killnu
so how should a plane respond when it stalls? just fall nose down?  not turn every which way moving along same axis?  then keeping E, just leveling out and following you.  somebody brought up control surfaces in MA on 200 to me, said plane should just fall straight down, is that correct?  if so, those who have posted about stalling and regaining control are not what i was talking about.

No idea what stick stirring is, but I know there have been times where I've reacted to hard to a guy I didn't see until almost too late.  Pulling hard into a turn I've high speed stalled, snap rolled it and come out of it nose low headed in the same direction.

I don't recall ever getting a shot off at the guy who scared me, but they tend to end up way out front of me.

Dan/Slack

[Kirin]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack There seems to be only two tactics that most seem to employ in the MA.  Running and Stick Stirring.  Both are signs of players without any knowledge of air combat, the maneuvers or the tactics to employ them.

Wrong! Both show what a real pilot would do in a disadvantage situation.

"stick stirring": Shaw describes this quite well in his book (air combat: tactics and manouvering). If there is an enemy on your tail you do absolutely everything to get him off. Throw your stick from on corner to the other, step full rudder just to pull to the other side in the next moment. Push man and machine to the limit - you got nothing to loose! Coordinated smoothly flown manouvers are nice but belong to airhows, not dogfights. There is a USN pilots notice who describes the japanese as masters at the stick, coordinating turns with rudder etc. He says it was really nice to look at but also really easy to predict, hence to shoot down.

"running": Well, reality check again. The doctrin is: Only fight at your advantage. Those pilots who dashed into the fray doing all these fancy manouvers did not live to tell anybody. The great aces knew when to attack and when to disengage. Why were the planes getting faster and faster? Speed meant the luxury of disengaging at will which meant to control the fight.  Dogfights aren't won by turning, turning is defensive manouver - if at all.

So, as a wanna be computer hero pilot you can whine about stick stirring and running. But that was how it was fought in the RL.

[killnu]

Kiran, if you have seen a stick stir in game, you would know that is not what he is writing about.  ill have to start filming...

[dedalos]

Kirin,

No one is complaining about the moves.  They are complaining about the mini warps stick stirring generates

[SlapShot]

I think we now have to coin a new description ...

We all know what "stick stirrin'" is ...

This is what I would call "stick stallin'" ...

I fought a guy one night and each time I got ~400 off his six, he yanked as hard as he could to induce this funky stall and cause me to overshoot, so as not to ram him ... cause its like they throw some serious air brakes on and stop in mid-air.  

Each time I managed to not get into a bad position on the overshoot and get back onto his six. Well, about the 3rd time he did this (and he was doing it on purpose), I finally said screw it and held the trigger down on him and he finally exploded just before I would have rammed him.

Those who are defending or condoning this (very loose term) manuever are probably those who use it with regularity.

The only time I have ever seen a real plane pull this kind of trick is when watching aerobatic planes, and their recovery is never horizontal, but rather perpendicular, while falling to earth to regain airspeed.

[AKFokerFoder+]

So far, from what I read on this board, I'm not supposed to boom 'n zoom, I'm not allowed to pull any moves if I'm your victim, I'm not allowed to vulch you if you're an idiot and can't figure out there are 35 red airplanes over your base. I'm not supposed to fly high because then I'm an Alt Monkey, I'm not allowed to shoot at the front of your plane because then I'm an H.O dweeb... and so on.

Welcome to AH2.

Turn off channel 200, and ignore the stuff you read on the BBS.

Fly the way you want, have fun the way you want too.

Fly low and knife fight if you are a Spit-Dweeb, Bore n Zoom if you are a Luftwhiner.  HO if the other guy lets you, jerk your stick around if that is how you like to shake a bogey.

You may find me vulching you, back stabbing you, cherry picking you, gang banging you, or you may find me being vulched, back stabbed etc. But you won't find me whining on channel 200 or this BBS  about how you want to fly or that you did something I didn't like.  

But then I am not a "Honorable" pilot, who flies by some unwritten code, defined differently by different pilots.

[EN4CER]

Reminds of the old CHIPS episode where the bad guy speeds by doing 90 mph and Ponch and John start their bikes.  3 seconds later - the next scene their right on the bad guys bumper.