Author Topic: stick stirring? (Read 1736 times)

EN4CER · « **Reply #45 on:** November 12, 2004, 06:57:41 PM »

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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Welcome to AH2.

Turn off channel 200, and ignore the stuff you read on the BBS.

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I concur - Well Put.

KurtVW · « **Reply #46 on:** November 12, 2004, 07:40:53 PM »

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Originally posted by killnu
so how should a plane respond when it stalls? just fall nose down? not turn every which way moving along same axis? then keeping E, just leveling out and following you. somebody brought up control surfaces in MA on 200 to me, said plane should just fall straight down, is that correct? if so, those who have posted about stalling and regaining control are not what i was talking about.

The result of a stall is dependent on the state of the aircraft at the time of the stall. Assuming both wings stall equally you would just go nose down. However more often than not in manuvering flight one wing will stall before the other creating an asymetrical lift problem which results in one wing dropping out. Stalling while a yaw force is applied results in a spin and so on including all kinds of combinations and variations of these 3 cases.

Also, the severity of the stall impacts the wings reaction as well. The aircraft and wing design play a role (cessnas are a lot more forgiving than Corsairs). Engine status - Power on, off, etc and in multi-engine planes asymetrical thrust can also come into play if one engine is producing more power than the other or if one is dead. In real life, the Corsair was known to be almost unrecoverable from a spin (and it behaves the same in AHII).

Anyone who told you a plane just drops straight out is clearly pulling answers from his rear-end. Thats farsical beyond explaination.

Volumes upon volumes have been written about this topic by far better authors than myself, but I figured as one of our MANY real world pilots in this game, my experience might help answer your question more than the make believe you got elsewhere..

killnu · « **Reply #47 on:** November 12, 2004, 08:33:47 PM »

i apoligize if this was taken as a "whine", i really just wanted to know if you could stik stir in ah2 like you could in ah1. im sorry that some of you seem to want to ignore the fact that it happens. thats your deal. i do know what a barrel roll is, i know what acm is, i know what a HO is, and i know what a stick stirring plane looks like. simple as that.

thanks kurt for clearing up the response thing, that just further proves my point to stik stirring. ive stalled dang near everywhich way you can, and prolly made a few stalls up.

now ill just get it on film.

Arlo · « **Reply #48 on:** November 12, 2004, 08:36:30 PM »

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Originally posted by killnu
now ill just get it on film.

Ok. But why?

mechanic · « **Reply #49 on:** November 12, 2004, 09:16:38 PM »

Let me tell you how I fight.

I will fly into a horde of 10 planes on my own.

I will stay and fight a fight i know i should lose.

I will HO, Vulch, and very rarley RAM if i have to.

BUT

If i am in a one on one, a fight between two pilots, alone, i will not do these things.

I have shot a guy up and blown his oil only to send out an and tell him to RTB. the fight is over, his plane is disabled, i dont care if i get the 'kill' or not.

I have been shot up and ditched and other pilots of great honour have flown over me as i ditch and NOT fired at my disabled aircraft.

You say about 'unwritten rules'. This is what i fight for. These unwritten rules are to the discretion of the plane who has won, not the plane who has fallen.

I have flown alongside the wing of an enemy who i have badly damaged and virtually waved my respects to him, then disengaged.

There is a cetain honour in dying and killing with grace, even if only vitually.

my point?

stick stirring is a way of unrealisticly avoiding an honourable death.
if you used this tactic in real life you would be a dead man.

if you didnt get shot you would stall to earth and crash.

I live for the fantasy that each engagement in AH2 is real. a real pilot is fighting against me for his life. I respect him and hope he respects me.

I respect his skills as i hope he respects mine.

when someone shows such a lack of air combat manouvers that they stall out and warp all over the place that respect is harder to give.

If you dont want to believe it is real combat, then just shoot AI morons down in IL-2 FB or something.

Im not trying to tell others how to spend and enjoy their money, just stating how my feelings are towards not playing with a true and noble heart.

ok, i'll be quiet now. have another puff on this big skin

all

batfink

killnu · « **Reply #50 on:** November 12, 2004, 11:17:59 PM »

hiya arlo,
for those who seem to think it does not happen, its some acm (ie barrel roll) that ive nvr seen before. thats all.

no other reason really.

Murdr · « **Reply #51 on:** November 13, 2004, 12:59:49 AM »

KillnU, the shame of it is, sometimes I get behind some of these guys that flop around like a fish, and as I frantically try to line up a shot because of my closing speed: "Dont move your controls rapidly!" ARRRRG . WTF is that? My stick doesnt cost $150 so I get peanalized for minor spiking? LOL, it doesnt happen too often, but it looked like a good opportunity to bring it up.

Arlo · « **Reply #52 on:** November 13, 2004, 06:09:38 AM »

Cheap stick to avoid at all cost: Logitech.

Cheap stick that works ok: Saitek.

Kev367th · « **Reply #53 on:** November 13, 2004, 08:51:52 AM »

Sorry HiTech, wasn't direct at you thats why I put HTC.
Just remember talking to someone in the game from HTC and he asked for films as he had never seen it happening.
In fact right after talking to him two of us tried to reproduce it on film, and yup you guessed it - couldn't.

nopoop · « **Reply #54 on:** November 13, 2004, 12:52:16 PM »

Stick stirring in it's best form was at WB. That can't be done here because of the "Don't move your stick" code that kicks in.

You have no idea what it was like in WB, and EVERYONE did it. The plane would warp to different angles, jump positions. You couldn't sit back and track because it would warp from position to position. It sucked.

Few imploy the milder version here brought on with the FM revisions of AHII. Very tame in comparison. Gamey, but not a game breaker.

With the new gunnery just altering the flight path continually makes a six shot a biatch.

I saw a new way of gaming the evasisve the other day. The blackout/auto level evasive. Complete crap.

Chasing a G10 in a D9 he began a gentle decending spiral, balls to the wall. I was in lag at wep and had my blackout to the small circle maintaining the distance. When he straightened I'd be close to guns. But he slowly tightened his turn workin the manual trim into full blackout on the deck, held it there so the blackout locked in and then hit auto level.. Hell I was in full blackout in LAG.

That's bullcrap. THAT pissed me off.

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #55 on:** November 13, 2004, 04:09:26 PM »

Batfink:

I a happy you like to fly in such a honorable manner and I salute you (really).

What grips me is when someone comes on the BBS or channel 200, and tells me I have to fly his way.

I would never let a bogey go, period, and I would shoot his chute if I could do so without blowing my E.

A good vulch session is as close to Nirvana as one can get. Although blowing a target fixated bogey off my team mates six is my favorite kill. Kinda funny that I have never had a team mate call me a gang-banger for shooting a bogey offa him, in fact, hard to beleive as it may be, I often get thanked.

In real life I am quite a nice guy, on-line I try to be about as ruthless and heartless an opponent as you could run into. If you fly well, I may give you a salute, but in all probability all you will get from me is tail full of 20mms. And don't try and talk to me on channel 200, I turn that thing off, I couldn't care less about listening to whines, and you won't hear mine. The pilots I personally respect the most fly like I do. Mean, heartless razor toting, scum, that shoot you in the back, then shoot your chute.

mechanic · « **Reply #56 on:** November 13, 2004, 04:26:03 PM »

sir!

as long as you are honest about your online personality and fly true to yourself i respect that.

KurtVW · « **Reply #57 on:** November 13, 2004, 04:37:40 PM »

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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Batfink:
If you fly well, I may give you a salute,

Salute is my favorite toy... Sadly I VERY RARELY use it as a compliment. More often than not I use it as a taunt. Nothing can smoke a guys glasses up like vulching them then saluting them. Or if you're pretty sure its the same guy upping again, a real fun one is to salute them THEN vulch 'em.

Pretty much the only time a salute from me is a compliment is if I am in a bomber and someone makes a truely valiant effort to shoot me down and fails. I take pride in being a very good gunner. And I kill far more than I get killed in that role. Also, if someone is engaging my bombers and we beat the snot out of each other and I lose, thats going to earn an honest salute.

Any time I salute when I'm the one who lost, thats an honest one too... Getting cocky when you're in a chute is just kinda lame

SirLoin · « **Reply #58 on:** November 13, 2004, 05:22:48 PM »

I think I've seen it once in 3 years.

killnu · « **Reply #59 on:** November 13, 2004, 05:28:49 PM »

i was high jug, inned on 2 low spits, in on trail one first, stick stir, zoom right past, in on 2nd spit, stick stir. zoomed up, repeated. one spit followed up, got on rope, back in on 2nd one, stick stir. he ended up 400 off 6 and tagged me. only one flight.

yes, it worked, i missed them, they lost the enemy on their 6, i acknowledge they did what ever it took to shake me(overshoot). this wasnt meant as much as a complaint about it, was meant as a question. i thought i read it wasnt going to be able to be done in ah2. that was it. i musta misread. no biggie.