Spawn Camping

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by whels
welp if u wana stop spawn camping, then ur might as well stop vulching, they are the same.


so i guess that means, indesturctable , highly accurate,
20 30 and 40 mm ack at airfields.

no.
 they are two different animals.

Vulching is the result of a feild already having been supressed by either lack of defence till its too late or superiour numbers.

Spawn campers often just go to the spawn area even if no GVs are inbound and the base hasnt been under attack.

You can defend against vulchers by use of GVs, Feild guns or bringing AC in from another base. ORRRR if your lucky enough to get airborn.

There is no real defence against multiple spawn campers if they position themselves well.
Actually the only way to defeat the camp is to keep upping in numbers and hope you can locate and fire and hit and at least disable the enemy tanks before they can hit you.

which is hard to do because a smart camper positions himself on the 6 of the Gvs camping which usually allows for at least 2 shots on the spawning GV before he can swing his turret around to get a single shot off

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Mini D
Spawn camping and vulching are a direct result of the "defense only when it's too late" philosophy in the MA.  People wait for flashing lights and sirens before doing anything.  It's actually the biggest fault in the game... and it has nothing to do with the game itself.

I will agree on the point that people wait entirely too long to decide to defend a base. more times then not an attack is telegraphed by radar long before the attack (by air) ever takes place

When its GVs the base starts flashing well in advance of the Gvs getting close enough to do any real damage.
But often people will still wait till shells are falling on the town or feild before doing anything

[wrongwayric]

I agree lazer, spawn should cover a wider area. I've been saying this for over a year now. You could still camp, but not with just one gv in a last ditch effort to save your city/field from enemy gv's. It would also give a more realistic feel to the actual attack by a squad of gv's as they would need to set a rally point or attack formation to actually hit the city/field more effectively. Would also add more 1v1 gv battles instead of guys swarming a tiger with 8 panzers or vice versa.

[LazerTED]

Whels vulching and spawn camping are more different than they are alike.

How often do you see a spawn camper from a tower, like you do when there is a vulch?
Getting vulched is something you can avoid, because it can be seen from the tower.  Spawn camping is something that is sprung upon you before you know its even happening.

Im just asking for spawns to be spread apart, not for a base to be protected by some uber acks.

[EN4CER]

From a Tactical Point of View - Spawn Camping is simply choking off the enemy's vehicle attack route or pipe line - No different than guarding a Bridge in WWII.  Some spawn points get camped because the Gvs defending the base have pushed the enemy back to the Spawn Point and set up camp to so call "Cork the Bottle." I admit other camps originate out of the "Fishing Hole" concept.  Guys set up to cast their lines and see what they can catch.  The good squads always bust a camp with a well timed and coordinated effort of carpet bombing and mass spawn.  Busting a camp is just as much fun as camping itself.    Nothing worse when your camping and you see several formations of Lancs headed in your general direction.  Definitely one of those "Oh Chit" kodak moments.

[whels]

Originally posted by LazerTED
Whels vulching and spawn camping are more different than they are alike.

How often do you see a spawn camper from a tower, like you do when there is a vulch?
Getting vulched is something you can avoid, because it can be seen from the tower.  Spawn camping is something that is sprung upon you before you know its even happening.

Im just asking for spawns to be spread apart, not for a base to be protected by some uber acks.

how often do GVer spawn and die to a camper and STILL respawn several times?  we had 1 guy give  out 200 kills to
our group of campers 1 day. kinda like the guy in the tower, sees
hordes of enemy planes flying over base and keeps trying to up.



cant be a spawn camp without spawners,  cant be a vulch
without uppers.  they are the same.

[Mayhem]

Originally posted by Stegahorse
Isn't spawn camping and vulching a "gaming the game " issue?
But, if they are stupid enough to continue to spawn and get killed, I'm greedy enough to let them!

I don't think spawn camping has a historicall counterpart but it is perty much vulching for vehicles and vulching is historicall. best place to nail an nmy was parked, on the runway, taking off, or landing. so I don't think it's really gaming the game. its a viable histoically accurate tactic.

[LtPillur]

Fishing in a stocked trout pond is a sure thing just like spawn camping. But were is the fun in that? Maybe its more fun to try to take off when a base is capped as opposed to sitting and waiting for the inevitable. Spawn camping is silly. And a don't think vehicles spawned in real life so historical accuracy is a bit of a non-sense term here.
Peace
Pillur

[rod367th]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Orr have spawn areas on hilltops too steep to climb from any side yet not so steep you cant roll down them.
 that would give spawners an immediate  terrain advantage against nearby camping.

Then the only way to camp an area would be to go to a hill high enough to see the spawn area which ideally would be far enough away to make the shots harder.

Another idea to add to this is have GVs also spawn from an indestructable  building with the openings facing away from any hills thus at least  giving the GVs a chance to at least start their engines and get moving.

Or perhaps instead of buildings surround the top of the hill  with trees making newly spawned GVs harder to spot and hit untill they leave the spawn area.



LOL  this building thing would just let everyone know exactly where spawn is. I know of atleast 1 squad who will drive to VH base not take it nut park in back hanger just to camp. Seen this squad do same thing day after day. We should make VH bases spawn from any hanger or building on base. @ nd spawns should 1000 yds apart  that way they can't get supplies to camp all 3 spawns...........but then hell i like to kill campers and camp myself once in a while so not really worried about it..........

This wouldnt stop camping entirely but it would at least give spawners at least a small fighting chance

[Mayhem]

Originally posted by LtPillur
Fishing in a stocked trout pond is a sure thing just like spawn camping. But were is the fun in that? Maybe its more fun to try to take off when a base is capped as opposed to sitting and waiting for the inevitable. Spawn camping is silly. And a don't think vehicles spawned in real life so historical accuracy is a bit of a non-sense term here.
Peace
Pillur

vehicles aren't a very important part of this game any way. but your right lets take away the spawn points all together  make them drive out of the hanger then it will be vulching. and that would be historically accurate

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by rod367th
LOL this building thing would just let everyone know exactly where spawn is. I know of atleast 1 squad who will drive to VH base not take it nut park in back hanger just to camp. Seen this squad do same thing day after day. We should make VH bases spawn from any hanger or building on base. @ nd spawns should 1000 yds apart that way they can't get supplies to camp all 3 spawns...........but then hell i like to kill campers and camp myself once in a while so not really worried about it..........  

LMAO everyone that spends any time in GVs KNOWS where the spawn areas are now. so whats the difference
That idea was supposed to be in combination of the spawn area being ontop of an unclimbable hill.

Kinda hard to sit inside of a hangar when you cant climb the hill to get to it

the indestructable building would allow GVs to start their engines and get moving before someone on some hill in the distance is able to zero in and fire on them

[Dralex]

Originally posted by whels
cant be a spawn camp without spawners,  cant be a vulch
without uppers.  they are the same.

Can you imagine situation, when not only 1 person spawn all the time?

I see spawn campers mostly in situation, when different people spawn GV's not knowing about campers in pampers.

So campers got kills by killing different persons.

[whels]

Originally posted by Dralex
Can you imagine situation, when not only 1 person spawn all the time?

I see spawn campers mostly in situation, when different people spawn GV's not knowing about campers in pampers.

So campers got kills by killing different persons.

nope id say the majority of time spawn camper kills is on the same spawner over n over.


maybe, have the spawn point line blink like the town does, when
a enemy GV is within 2k of spawn area?

[Kev367th]

Seem to remember an idea -

As the fuel a vbases is generally useless why not have it so each spawn line has 3 different endpoint representing 50/75/100 fuel.

Make the 75 and 100 spawns go deeper into enemy territory than the current ones. At least it gives a reason to hit fuel at a vbase.
Of course this would mean somehow making the 75% fuel limit not apply to vbases.

[humble]

Originally posted by Furball
Make spawn points actual Forward bases protected by AI and Mannable AT guns.  Forward bases should be protected by walls to offer some protection from campers.

Also makes it much more realistic than ground vehicles just magically appearing in the middle of nowhere.

Furball hit the nail on the head...AT Guns. Put 6 of em around each spawn. Now you can "pop in" in an AT gun...obviously if they're down you know someone's been around recently....

Personally I think the deployable AT gun is the biggest missing piece of the "GV set"...the biggest tank killer wasnt the tank...it as the AT gun.