WTG in Fallujah!

[JoOwEn]

WTG, now loose the camera crew. No wait Im a french jorunalest and I b captured! Save me please.

[Dead Man Flying]

Clearly the Marine killing the insurgent was not something systematic.  Abu Grabh represented a visible aspect of systematic prisoner abuse both in Iraq and Afghanistan.  This strikes me as an isolated incident.  **** happens in war.  It's obviously not American policy to go around shooting helpless Iraqi insurgents in mosques.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Nash]

Fallujah is just the the name of a city with buildings in it. You can conquer it, but you would just be the proud new owners of a city with buildings in it.

There's already widespread grumblings amongst the Pentagon folks... of dissapointment. They, like many of us, were hoping for a higher body count.

Now they gotta drag their arses to one of the other corners of the triangle and do the whole charade over again. That triangle is gonna start seeming like a damned circle.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Nash
Fallujah is just the the name of a city with buildings in it. You can conquer it, but you would just be the proud new owners of a city with buildings in it.

There's already widespread grumblings amongst the Pentagon folks... of dissapointment. They, like many of us, were hoping for a higher body count.

Now they gotta drag their arses to one of the other corners of the triangle and do the whole charade over again. That triangle is gonna start seeming like a damned circle.

The city is rid of terrorists. Pretty much all that needs to be said.

[Nash]

Cool...

Where'd they go?

[NUKE]

to hell I think.

[straffo]

Originally posted by SOB
Good to hear...hopefully we have that entire piss-hole secured enough to give full control back over to the Iraqis sooner rather than later.  And hopefully when that happens, our soldiers come home, and don't end up on another wild goose chase.

//troll
According to TweetyBird's post aren't they safer in Fallujah than New Orléans ?

[Pongo]

"From an international POV that was an execution.

"
what other point of view is there as to what it was?

[Holden McGroin]

The POV of the Marine.

Do we know what that Marine saw?

Did we see others feign surrender only to kill you buddies?

Did we see someone, who very well may have still been a threat to the Marine's personal well being, rolling off a IED trigger, pulling out a grenade, or some other slight move that could reasonably have been interpreted as a threat?

Perhaps it would be reasonable to withold judgement until more is known about the incident.

[SunTracker]

I've seen stuff on the internet that would make marines crap their pants.

[ramzey]

Originally posted by NUKE
 to the US and Iraqi forces for a brilliant victory in Fallujah.

It's the kind of job that we know we can do when the PC news and politics does not  prevent what needs to be done to win in war.

Thanks to all who have supported this effort to free Iraq from terror, great job!

you think? i thought we win fight for "hearts and mindes " year ago
That s reminde me scene from Indiana Jones  when Harrison Ford shooting from gun to swordsman.


You know term Pyrrus victory?
Tell me in wichone country ocupied forces win whole war? sooner or later insurgences will win. Gov will be changed. Terrorist will become trusted politicans.

But only noone wil bring back to life thos one who fight in this war. They pay the biggest price

[babek-]

Good news: Falludja has been eliminated (at least for a while) as a terroristic base

But there are also bad news:
1. Many terrorists escaped the city before the attack came

2. The new iraqui army had again many deserters because they refused to shoot on iraquis.

3. While the occupation forces where busy with Falludja many iraqui cities - including the 3rd biggest city of Iraq, Mossul - came under control of the terrorists.
In Mossul police stations and iraq army posts were stormed and the policemen and iraqui soldiers there again left their posts and retreated. Many Mossul policemen defected to the rebels.

4. Important pipelines were sabotaged by terrorists

5. There were in many iraqui cities Anti-Allawi demonstrations who is considered as a Quisling by more iraquis than ever before

6. The city of Falludja is extremely damaged because of the fightings, so the 200000 civilians who fled from the city before the fightings now have the job to find new homes

7. The shiites are happy because with Falludja one of the most important sunnite bases has been destroyed

8. The terrorists will get many new fanatic recruits who want to fight against the occupation forces and the soldiers/policemen of the Allawi puppetregime because of the pictures shown from Falludja


But nevertheless its a victory.

I wouldnt call it brilliant, but at least the city has been captured.

OK - there are still fightings in Falludja but when Bush had the right to tell the people that the Iraq war is over in his funny "Mission Accomplished"-show why the commanders of the Falludja campaign shouldnt tell the same ?

The main problem is that there are only so few occupation forces in Iraq -  trying to deal with terrorists who operate in the whole country.

As long as this number is not increased there will be many Falludja-pyrrus-victories with no hope that the terror-attacks will stop.

[lazs2]

don't be silly... a city that is controlled by terrorists is a stronghold... if you destroy or chase them out they have to getr reorganized in a new place and are weakened.   If you chase em out of enough places they are so weak that the government police and troops can take care of the isolated groups of terrorists.   soon... the cops outnumber the terrorists and no amount of hand wringing can change that equation.  

lazs

[Gunslinger]

What's amazing is when you read some of the left leaning press reports about fallujah.  They're calling it a defeat before it barely even began.  It's sad to see that people actually don't want Americans to succeed in Iraq.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Fishu
wtg with the executions!

Interesting, where was the "rage" from Fishu when hostages were being executed?

There was none.

Fishu is the enemy.

Originally posted by Fishu in the Nick Berg thread:

For conspiracy theorists, this is quite a gem with all the happenings.

First was revealed how iraqi prisoners were tortured/humiliated, which made it possible to really damage Bush's support.
Then happened this outrageous act, which conveniently happens to also really increase support for the war and Bush.
It's a wonder if good bunch of people suddenly doesn't see torture/humiliation of iraqi prisoners under a whole new light.
Also somewhat conveniently it happens to be Al Qaeda, after they hadn't been under the spotlight for a long time in Iraq.
Attention used to be more on the other militant/terrorist groups out there.
Nobody wouldn't either believe such an outrageous act would been created by some US based goverment organization.


All in all, it's going to greatly increase support for the war & Bush and make torture/humiliation of iraqi prisoners a lesser evil than it was.
However most likely nobody will never know who really were behind it.

and before someone begins screaming bloody murder, the above 'conspiracy theory' is not really what I do think of it.
but it's always interesting after all whats happened.
Although it's not an impossible scenario, since beheading someone wouldn't be anything compared to some things which some goverments have done to drive their own benefit.
Like the very recent case where some dozen refugees were shot on purpose and then told to been terrorist - just to say to certain countries "we are serious with war on terrorism".
(I don't recall the country which did this and was revealed just recently.. hmpf)