New bombing

[Tilt]

I agree there seems to have been an increase in altitude of the average buff.......................


However a B24 or Lanc formation can now render a small field without fighters and vehicles in two passes quite easily............

and today I did witness a Lanc formation take out  (or at least finish off) 2 x BH and 3 x FH in one pass.

I reckon that if the bomber has taken the time and trouble to climb, set course  and carefully judge approach etc he deserves the possibility of some reward via achievement..........but this does seem a bit high.................

[LePaul]

Surely ye jest, I mean, just look at the ordinance 3 bombers can carry.

I dont want to go down the path where folks moan at the damage a buff can do.  However, buffs can be shot down if defenders attempt to do so.

From what I've seen, a grand majority of the fighters are under 10k.  And that's why I climb as high as I do.  So while they complain on the public channel about bombers, all they have to do is come rise to my alt and try their best to stop me  

[bozon]

more bomb random scattering needed?
"Iron" GP bombs are 7-10m accurate with a modern CCIP sight in a dive. With a Norden sight from 20k level... well...

That's why carpet bombing was needed in the first place to hit something as big as a factory.

Bozon

[Dlord]

I agree bozon but the problem is rarely will you can't get enough people to do a mass buff run. Don't get  me wrong, it does happen from time to time, but overall that's rarely seen. I think this more accurate system is used to make it more fun for those who like to fly bombers and get some satifaction from doing so.

[bozon]

at least it's nice to see some buffs level bombing again for a change. If dweebing it out is what it takes, I'll take the bitter with the sweet.

Bozon

[Krusty]

You folks need to get off your high horses.

I've been flying in AH for a long time. I remember before this calibration system bombing was fun. I used to do it a lot. Then the stupid calibration came in and for LITERALLY a year I didn't know how to do it. Then when I figured it out, and did it, I missed every time. I kid you not, at steady speed, with perfect crosshair-on-target calibration, I missed every freaking time. So I stopped bombing. It was retarded. I was doing it EXACTLY like the help file said to but it wouldn't work.

FACT, there was nothing "ELITE" about using the damn calibration system. Us bomber drivers were having fun BEFORE it came along and nobody accused of of being dweebs then. You almost NEVER saw a low level bomber then.

FACT, some people do NOT have the best most expensive hardware there is. I fly with a Wingman Extreme 3D (yes, I hear the groaning). Others fly with WORSE.

FACT, some people, INCLUDING long long long time veterans, are older than your average 20-year-old, and don't have the steady hands or the capacity to move the damned crosshair like the help file says (whether or not it works, they can't even attempt it) -- I'm reminded of one vet that had a stroke and had unsteady hands, as an example.


So get of yer damn high horses. The new calibration system was horrible. Just because YOU could do it, 90% of the rest of the game couldn't. Creating an elite shroud for yourselves is immature, considering it's the ineffectiveness of the crappy calibration system in the first place that led to what you call dweebs (low level bomber raids).

This is not a rant. It is chastising pilots that should now better.

[Octavius]

So?  

FACT, there was nothing "ELITE" about using the damn calibration system. Us bomber drivers were having fun BEFORE it came along and nobody accused of of being dweebs then. You almost NEVER saw a low level bomber then.
 
Not a fact.

FACT, some people do NOT have the best most expensive hardware there is. I fly with a Wingman Extreme 3D (yes, I hear the groaning). Others fly with WORSE.

Plenty of players do more with less.  Performance ingame is not a function of the price of your hardware.  

FACT, some people, INCLUDING long long long time veterans, are older than your average 20-year-old, and don't have the steady hands or the capacity to move the damned crosshair like the help file says (whether or not it works, they can't even attempt it) -- I'm reminded of one vet that had a stroke and had unsteady hands, as an example.

You're even bringing the disabled into your argument.  Hmm...

Want to drive that short bus with the nifty elevator Krusty?

Regardless of any bombing system, you're saying AH should cater to a minority.

I can think of another minority... ohh yeah, you dwell in the land of H2H freeloaders

[Krusty]

Octavius, you can't even twist words properly. That was a poor attempt, mate.

It is a fact there is nothing elite about using the calibration system. It is a fact us bomber drivers had fun before it came along. It is a fact that nobody accused bomber drivers of being dweebs before the new system. It is a fact that I had NEVER heard of any dweeb-ass dive bombing formations until well AFTER the new calibration system came out.

So what you are saying is you don't believe it or you weren't there to see it. Okay, fine. That means you have no credibility either way.

"performance in game is not a function of the price of your hardware"

I never said it was. I said that not everybody has perfectly functioning machines, can afford to pay $150 for a joystick and another $50 for a throttle unit and another $75 for rudder pedals. The main reason I did NOT fly warbirds was the damn joystick support was crap. One reason I can even FLY Aces High at all is the fact that joystick support is much more managable. Even so my stick only lets me do so much, and it spikes horribly on all axis' all the time, never stopping (and you can't deadband a 100% spike or you get full deadband, and no stick movement). It *IS* a fact that not everybody has an uber system, and it IS a fact that many many pilots have bad input devices (I've run across so many pilots that share my association with the Wingman joystick, and share my pain).

There is a very tangible benefit from having decent input equipment. This usually costs money. Lots of it. For those of us that are not extremists, we use what we already have til it breaks. I know for a fact I couldn't calibrate -- EVER -- on the "new" system. I think my joystick had some small part to play in that problem.

So no, performance is NOT the price of the equipment. But high priced equipment functions a HELL of a lot better than the equipment of the blue collar slob that's just flying for that thing, you know? That one thing, you may remember it. It's called FUN.

For you to make fun of real life people who have had STROKES and or have other problems is not funny in any way. Let's see how insensitive YOU are when one of your own family suffers a similar problem. You simply prove you don't care about what I typed and picked at any straw to attack my statements by likening the elderly and/or disabled pilots to mental retards. Way to go, Oct, way to go.

I reiterate. Get off your damn high horse. You're no better than anyone else here. If your system let you calibrate the system that wouldn't let most others do it, kudos. That doesn't mean s*** about you as a person, in regards to skill. So stop believing you're all that, stop insulting people who can't spend all their money on accessories for PCs, and stop insulting AH pilots that don't have the manual dexterity to calibrate the way YOU like, and grow up.

[Easyscor]

Originally posted by Krusty
You folks need to get off your high horses.....

LOL. I won't dwell on what Oct has already covered.

95% of calibrating with the manual calibration is navigation and the patience to hit a preplanned IP.  A poor navigator is invariably a poor bomb aimer in that system so if the shoe fits... and there were better manuals available then the help pages for the guys who had enough interest to find them and learn.

Last night I flew a level bomber in the MA for the first time since the new system was introduced.  I upped a box of B-17s and climbed to 29k, then proceeded to plink the Rook dar at 7 bases with 7 salvos of 1 each.  I was rtb with 5 eggs still in the bay and thinking about how I could have messed up a lot more stuff even with a single buff so when you start loosing your hangers to bombers flying in the stratosphere, I’ll be around to remind you why the manual calibration was implemented in the first place.

[Krusty]

Well all they need to do is remove formations

We didn't have then in AH1 waaaaay back. The very treacherous but rewarding single-lancaster-HQ-runs were fun but usually unsuccessful for me. One had to be sneaky then. You had defense, but only so much defense.

Lose the box formation and you can still hit things, but you have to land and reup to hit more, and you only have the defensive guns of 1 bomber, not 3.

Edit: Easy it's that team's fault for not upping to intercept you while you bombed 7 bases lol!

[Easyscor]

Originally posted by Krusty
It is a fact that nobody accused bomber drivers of being dweebs before the new system.

Sorry but you must have been reading a different message board then the rest of us.

I freely admit the initial learning curve was tough with the manual calibration, and I protested as much as anybody, but hardware, or even a steady hand, has nothing to do with it.  You don't understand that because you didn't find someone to teach you what was needed, and you still don't have a clue about it.

None of this matters.  Htc has made a decision, that's the way it's going to be until the next "balancing" round.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Easyscor

95% of calibrating with the manual calibration is navigation and the patience to hit a preplanned IP.  A poor navigator is invariably a poor bomb aimer in that system so if the shoe fits...

I beg to differ (w/ Oct also ). There are some people out there that were TOTALLY unable to use the old calibration method due to hardware concerns. I know because I'm one of them. Has nothing to do with the bomb aimer. If your controls spiked...you could not get a decent calibration...period.

To answer the question that is dangling out there...yes, I bought new sticks. Three actually.

[Octavius]

Originally posted by Krusty
It is a fact there is nothing elite about using the calibration system. It is a fact us bomber drivers had fun before it came along. It is a fact that nobody accused bomber drivers of being dweebs before the new system. It is a fact that I had NEVER heard of any dweeb-ass dive bombing formations until well AFTER the new calibration system came out.

So what you are saying is you don't believe it or you weren't there to see it. Okay, fine. That means you have no credibility either way.

When you learn the definition of "fact", get back to me.  If you shoot a snappy reply aimed at the others of this thread to "get off their high horses" and fail to back it up with reason, then your argument has no leg to stand on.

"performance in game is not a function of the price of your hardware"

I never said it was.

No, you said:  "FACT, some people do NOT have the best most expensive hardware there is. I fly with a Wingman Extreme 3D (yes, I hear the groaning). Others fly with WORSE. .  So WTF are you implying?  That you like cream puffs?  Either way, this point is moot.  I prove it wrong simply by flying with what I have.

The main reason I did NOT fly warbirds was the damn joystick support was crap. One reason I can even FLY Aces High at all is the fact that joystick support is much more managable.

So should Warbirds have a joystick support on par with AH, you would pay for a subscription over there?  Their sub price for existing players is what, ~$25?  I didn't know Warturds had H2H.  

It *IS* a fact that not everybody has an uber system, and it IS a fact that many many pilots have bad input devices (I've run across so many pilots that share my association with the Wingman joystick, and share my pain).

Congrats, you learned "fact."

There is a very tangible benefit from having decent input equipment. This usually costs money. Lots of it. For those of us that are not extremists, we use what we already have til it breaks. I know for a fact I couldn't calibrate -- EVER -- on the "new" system. I think my joystick had some small part to play in that problem.

So no, performance is NOT the price of the equipment. But high priced equipment functions a HELL of a lot better than the equipment of the blue collar slob that's just flying for that thing, you know? That one thing, you may remember it. It's called FUN.

For you to make fun of real life people who have had STROKES and or have other problems is not funny in any way. Let's see how insensitive YOU are when one of your own family suffers a similar problem. You simply prove you don't care about what I typed and picked at any straw to attack my statements by likening the elderly and/or disabled pilots to mental retards. Way to go, Oct, way to go.

I reiterate. Get off your damn high horse. You're no better than anyone else here. If your system let you calibrate the system that wouldn't let most others do it, kudos. That doesn't mean s*** about you as a person, in regards to skill. So stop believing you're all that, stop insulting people who can't spend all their money on accessories for PCs, and stop insulting AH pilots that don't have the manual dexterity to calibrate the way YOU like, and grow up. [/B]

Woooow.  Take a breath.  Okay, so now  I represent everything "bad" huh?  ... the rich, uber HOTAS simpit having, Track IR flying, 300+ hours a tour kinda players that eat babies and stomp kittens right?  You have any idea what kind of a minority that is?  You're really grasping here.  You have zero idea with the kind of equipment I fly with - so your argument is wack.  Your assumptions are far off base.  Accusing me of insulting anyone and everyone disabled isn't going to make your rant look any less pathetic.  Way to go Krusty, way to go.

What I find ironic is that you're ranting to [read: chastising] players for playing a game that HT created.  These same players pay subscriptions or help out with training or put together huge special events... these players pay or put in the time in order to fly..  HTC offers your freeloading community the opportunity to fly without a subscription either because they refuse to subscribe and/or are unable to subscribe AND YOU STILL ASK FOR ANOTHER HANDOUT?!

You do realize that when you host in Freeloader Land, you have the ability to enable the old laser bombsight, right?  Therefore, it shouldn't make a difference to you WHAT settings HTC uses in the paying Main Arena or elsewhere.  So go to your own 8 player room, flick on the laser sight switch, and have all the fun you want.

Talk down to me all you want.  I think it's rather funny... I have no bombsight preference any particular way.

Thanks, I'm done.  Rant on!

[Easyscor]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
I beg to differ...TOTALLY unable to use the old calibration method due to hardware concerns.

 I would take it from your post you were not aware that you DO NOT need to TRACK the spot you're calibrating on for the whole time of calibration.  Even if you get a spike in your stick, it makes no difference unless the spike occurs at the exact instant you press or release the calibration key.  You can point the cross hairs at the moon and it wouldn't mater if they pointed at the same ground reference point when you release the key.  Would it be tougher with a bad stick, sure, but no more so then trying to strafe ack or shoot someone down with a spiking stick.

[Octavius]

Thanks Easy, I forgot to mention that.