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Offline deSelys

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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2004, 07:11:02 PM »
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Wow, this is completely amazing.


Never before in posting history on any forum have I seen every single post be completely FALSE, NOT TRUE, or just the stupidest things ever said.

Now, I don't mean one or two of the posts are bad.  I mean every time someone tried to post something constructive, they were completely wrong.  I'm astonished.


Thanks for bringing nothing (except your arrogance) to the discussion.

Move along.
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2004, 07:15:10 PM »
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Wow, this is completely amazing.


Never before in posting history on any forum have I seen every single post be completely FALSE, NOT TRUE, or just the stupidest things ever said.

Now, I don't mean one or two of the posts are bad.  I mean every time someone tried to post something constructive, they were completely wrong.  I'm astonished.


Ok Hotshot. You seem to think your the expert

Correct us

I KNOW not a single thing I wrote in my post was wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2004, 07:17:44 PM »
Fine.

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But at the beginning, with the exception of some courageous individuals *, they didn't do much.


WRONG.  Our entire economy had kicked up by the beginning of WW2 in europe.  We were making parts, weapons and anything that could possibly be conceived to send (/sell) to europe.

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Like you said, it was Europe's mess and the US were nowhere morally obliged to intervene.


WRONG.  It's always everybody's responsibility to get rid of those who are corrupt.

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In the beginning we didnt do much because even if the public would have supported it we quite simple were nowhere near ready or able to do much other then what we did.


WRONG.  Not only did the Public SUPPORT it, but we did actually begin to do things in our industry and military training.

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Our Armed forces were at a pitiful level.


WRONG.  Government Officials and other people in the US recognized the impending war before the start in europe.  Our forces started to recruit and build up.  While it was nothing near our 1942 level, it was no where near pitiful level.

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How can we blame the generation who fought in the trenches during WWI for the bad preparation of the french, brit and, as you point out, US armies. There was a widespread feeling that WWI was a terrible mistake and that it could never happen again...


WRONG.  WW1 sucked, and many people died.  But in no way did people just think that it was a terrible mistake.  Everything in European history lead up to WW1 in a big bang.  Europe was due for it and no one was sorry about it.

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However the next disaster to come was already written in the Versailles Treaty: once defeated, the enemy shouldn't be humiliated. IMO the Nazi party wouldn't have had so much followers if Germany had been able to gain back its 'respectable nation' status after a few years.


WRONG.  It wasn't involvement that lead to the Nazi party, but uninvolvement.



I actually was wrong too.  I overlooked the canadian stuff.  While I didn't see the other post, I didn't see how this bridged into what the topic was.




BTW, I encourage everyone involved to pick up a history book and learn this stuff for yourself.  If you go out on your own free will to learn something, it'll have so much more power and influence.
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2004, 07:19:43 PM »
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Agreed Drediock.


However the next disaster to come was already written in the Versailles Treaty: once defeated, the enemy shouldn't be humiliated. IMO the Nazi party wouldn't have had so much followers if Germany had been able to gain back its 'respectable nation' status after a few years.


On that point I would haveto agree.

I beleive even Alexander the Great tended not to totally humiliate his conquests but tried to more bring them into the fold

Good example more currently is East and West Germany and the differences between rebuilding in the west  and supression in the east
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2004, 07:22:36 PM »
lasersailor184

that had to be the most full of crap post I have read in recent memory.

Oh because you say "Wrong" makes it so?

I suggest YOU read your history books more carefully as you obviously havent much of a clue as to what your talking about
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2004, 07:26:44 PM »
Habu,

Try Combat Mission. They have historical battles between the Germans and Canucks.

Did you mention they were all volunteers..:p

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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2004, 08:55:24 PM »
I can't belive such fuss was started over my thread about helmets...

It turned into a bash ,after I asked it not to...
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2004, 01:51:47 AM »
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WRONG.  Our entire economy had kicked up by the beginning of WW2 in europe.  We were making parts, weapons and anything that could possibly be conceived to send (/sell) to europe.

Correct but it wasn't it  because of the foreign customer more than the will of the US governerment ?


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WRONG.  It's always everybody's responsibility to get rid of those who are corrupt.

Right ,I mean you're right not that your wrong is right (if this sentence make sense :p)



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WRONG.  Not only did the Public SUPPORT it, but we did actually begin to do things in our industry and military training.

Can't answer here having not a clear idea on this.


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WRONG.  Government Officials and other people in the US recognized the impending war before the start in europe.  Our forces started to recruit and build up.  While it was nothing near our 1942 level, it was no where near pitiful level.

Right and wrong ,the pitiful level was true (IMO of course) in 1939 (if you have doubt compare to 1941)

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WRONG.  WW1 sucked, and many people died.  But in no way did people just think that it was a terrible mistake.  Everything in European history lead up to WW1 in a big bang.  Europe was due for it and no one was sorry about it.

Right and wrong , the average "Joe" (aka "Jean" in France :) )  thought it was a tragedie and came back from war with this : "Plus jamais ça" (never again)
Perhaps some people were war monger but a lot less in 1918 than 1914.


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WRONG.  It wasn't involvement that lead to the Nazi party, but uninvolvement.

I think it's right too.


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I actually was wrong too.  I overlooked the canadian stuff.  While I didn't see the other post, I didn't see how this bridged into what the topic was.

Don't see either how and why it was draged here.



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BTW, I encourage everyone involved to pick up a history book and learn this stuff for yourself.  If you go out on your own free will to learn something, it'll have so much more power and influence.

I agree except I think you should use plural, reading sevral books will help form an opinion as truth in history is a shade of grey

lasersailor184 you should make this kind of post more often , it's far more interesting :)
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2004, 02:22:30 AM »
Sorry lasersailor I'm not impressed. You're advancing your opinions, not facts.

Economy kicked in: maybe so, but you can hardly compare putting your life on the line with selling more goods.

Everybody's responsability: come on, this is pure utopia.

Public support before PH???? Have you links to back up this bold affirmation?

If you needed to recruit and rebuild your army, it is the proof that it wasn't in a good enough state to begin with.

Again, prove me that most people thought that WWI was a good thing.

Actually we agree about the nazi party, but I still can't understand how you misinterpreted what I said. Is my english so bad?

May I have the references of THE history book you've read? I would like to be sure to never recommend it to anyone.
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2004, 02:27:52 AM »
Réveillé du pied gauche ce matin monsieur de  Selys-Longchamp ?

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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2004, 02:42:58 AM »
Hé....mes collègues savent qu'il faut m'approcher avec prudence avant ma 3ème tasse de café ;)

À propos je n'ai aucun lien avec la lignée de Selys. J'avais juste choisi ce nom par respect pour le héro.
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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2004, 02:47:35 AM »
Bah mince alors ... moi qui me félicitais de connaitre un baron de la haute :D

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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2004, 02:55:12 AM »
te faudra encore attendre, une fois.
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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2004, 02:56:50 AM »
Oh boy... what a way to start a day...

Now, where's that coffee machine?
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2004, 03:37:54 AM »
laiser u are a moron..

Is that completly wrong?..lololo

 

u are too easy....YA usa was well prepared before 1942...

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