ME-163 exhaust smoke

[Elfie]

Am I the only one that doesnt see a big plume of smoke from the rocket motor on the ME-163?

[Kweassa]

I'm very curious about this too.

 What is it that's making it 'unworthy' to implement the rocket exhaust smoke in the 163B?

 I mean, seeing how the airsow smoke is done, while it may be a bit 'crude', they could just use a white smoke on the tail of the 163 - the Arado RATO pack uses more or less the same method, too, doesn't it?

 Besides the 163s are pretty rare birds, and even in HQ defenses its about 4~5 people in normal cases. Would it be that much of a frame hit?

[ccvi]

Did the real one have a smoke generator?

[Booky]

Originally posted by ccvi
Did the real one have a smoke generator?

Classic  

Haha, have you ever seen a rocket in action?  They are their own smoke generators.

[Wotan]

Only the early versions of the 163 (163A) using the 'cold' engine trailed smoke.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by ccvi
Did the real one have a smoke generator?

ever seen a shuttle take off?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Wotan
Only the early versions of the 163 (163A) using the 'cold' engine trailed smoke.

I thought all rocket motors put out tons of smoke, is this NOT the case?

[Engine]

IIRC, the later 163s put out no smoke.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Engine
IIRC, the later 163s put out no smoke.

eek, i take my comment back then!

suppose it depends on the fuel, i mean shuttles use H and O2....which when "burnt" together creates water (duh ) hence the smoke (or steam....)

where as the 163 used some sort of acid based fuel???

[slaker]

Oxidizer was T-Stoff (Hydrogen Peroxide)
Fuel was C-Stoff (Hydrazine/Methanol)

Believe me, you really don't want to get either on you...

* Symptoms of acute (short-term) exposure to high levels of hydrazine include irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat, temporary blindness, dizziness, headache, nausea, pulmonary edema, seizures, and coma in humans. Acute exposure can also damage the liver, kidneys, and CNS in humans. (2-4)
* The liquid is corrosive and may produce chemical burns and severe dermatitis from skin contact. (1,4)
* Acute animal tests, such as the LC50 and LD50 tests in rats, mice, rabbits, and guinea pigs, have demonstrated hydrazine to have high acute toxicity from inhalation and ingestion and extreme acute toxicity from dermal exposure. (5)

*Hydrogen Peroxide is corrosive to eyes, skin, nose, throat and lungs. May cause irreversible tissue damage to the eyes including blindness.

*Methanol (wood alcohol) is just rubbing alcohol.  Not too bad unless you breath it, or it catches on fire.

[Elfie]

Slaker would that fuel mixture create a plume of smoke behind the 163?

[Wotan]

The 163A’s fuel created a low-temperature chemical reaction that didn’t burn and didn’t have a flame. The exhaust temperature was about 600 degrees C, and it left a long dense trail behind it.

Rudy Opitz, Messerschmitt test pilot

Here read up on it on this page:

http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/walter/walter.htm

The ME 163B as modelled in AH did not have the smoke trail.

[LePaul]

Are the Ar234 RATO's smoke visible to others when someone is using them?

[Overlag]

Originally posted by LePaul
Are the Ar234 RATO's smoke visible to others when someone is using them?

yes

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Wotan
The ME 163B as modelled in AH did not have the smoke trail.

"In the earlier Walter motors for the Messerschmitt Me 163A Series, the "cold" reaction was initiated by a permanganate catalyst which stained the motor efflux purple.
 
Here (163B 109-509 Motor), the catalyst was more neutral, and the motor exhaust was much paler, with a yellow/green almost transparent colour until the steam condensed into a dense vapour trail in the air."