Author Topic: L.W. Experts, Tell Me About The 109s. (Read 530 times)

eskimo · « **on:** March 29, 2001, 08:59:00 AM »

Before 2 days ago, I had never flown the 109s more than a couple of sorties a tour (Just enough frustrate myself with it.). Now that I have the hang of it, I am a big fan.
I have been flying the G-2 because... well I like Finland... I guess.

What I want to know is; what is the differencs between the 4 types we have in AH?

I know that each newer type is faster and climbs better than the previous. But how about handling.
Do the early birds turn beter?
Are they better at slow speeds?
Is compression the same in all of em?
Can any of em be ditched with 1/2 a wing missing?
Anything els worth noting?

eskimo

illo · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2001, 05:53:00 AM »

hmm..from what ive read f4 and g2 should climb better than g6.

Anyway im n´t 109 expert but...

109f4 has thinner armorplates, less weight and is the most maneuverable of them. Climb is excellent even compared to late war planes. Many LW aces considered 109f4 as the best dogfighter of 109 series.

109g2 better engine. excellent climb, not quite as maneuverable as 109f, but faster.

109g6 more armor. Climb and manuverabilty has suffered a little. Climb is still very good though.

109g10 late war 109. Very powerful engine in small and aerodynamic airframe. Maneuverability is quite poor compared to early 109s but it has awesome speed and climb.

For those who know better...correct me if im wrong.

Here are my rules of thumb for 109:

-Climb in shallow angle for maximal efficiency.

-Alt is 109s best friend

-Be careful in dives. Its better not to exceed 450mph, but if you do you can control plane with trims.

-Get close and personal. "Spray&pray" does not work.

-Its quite easy to keep your E advantage in 109 so use it. I dont personally like mixing up with cons(bad for SA). So i stick to easy vertical maneuvers and keep my E advantage. Used this way 109 is one of safest planes around. Enemy hardly ever gets opportunity to shoot back so you can control the fight at your will.

OK. as i said im not expert in 109, but i hope this helps even a little.

eskimo · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2001, 01:58:00 AM »

Thanks,
Sounds like good advice.

eskimo

Karaya One · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2001, 09:02:00 AM »

the 109s are my favorite and probably the toughest to fly, imo.

all the 109s have compression problems. the key to flying them effectively is controlling the compression. this can be solved by having the proper stick setup. make sure all your trims are hot keyed.

Once your stick commands are set up, practice compressing and controlling the plane in all aspects of flight. Once your comfortable. Practice shooting under compression. It takes work to line up a shot. If your using 30mm wait till your under d300 to fire.

Use the MG's to ping the enemy into an effective 30mm envelope.

109s require a higher state of SA because they are not the fastest fighter in the arena. To be effective, dont use the horizontal, use the vertical planes.

The 109 can B&Z really well. It excels at this. Most importantly on the climb out. Kick on the wep and just ride the plane all the way back up to your combat altitude. Dont get suckered into low level T&B fights.
All 109s can T&B for about 3-4 hard turns but once you kill your E, your dead meat, unless there is enough seperation to climb away.

The Spiral climb is probable your best defensive weapon and once mastered you can easily turn a defensive situation into an opprotunity.

109s take discipline to fly. Patience & determination. You need to know when to fight and when to grab air. They require more pilot work load but once you get the kills its very rewarding.

The only threat I ever consider is a Spitfire. Reason being their climb performance is just as good, if not better depending on the model. And those little limey planes can do everything well "-)

Good luck and shoot me an email if you got further questions. Im very out of practice and rusty but glad to help.

K1
Flying Pigs

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DB603 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2001, 05:28:00 PM »

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Agree on all parts with Karaya1.109 is a patient man's plane.When loaded with lot of patience and good line ups for shots,then You are holding the key to success in 109.

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eskimo2 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 02, 2001, 08:22:00 AM »

Bump for EagleC

I asked the same question a few months ago, had never flown the 109.

Now it's perhaps my best ride.

eskimo

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #6 on:** August 02, 2001, 08:29:00 AM »

Here's two films with me flying the 109G2. http://gandalf.totalcs.com/ahinfo/mark/g2-1.zip http://gandalf.totalcs.com/ahinfo/mark/g2-2.zip

It's hard to explain how to fly them, I feel films better show to do something and when to do it.
-SW

SpitLead · « **Reply #7 on:** August 02, 2001, 02:27:00 PM »

Karaya, what's the advantage of a spiraling climb vs. a straight climb? Is it basically to keep the con as near as possible until you gain the needed separation to turn back or wait until he stalls? Or will the less capable climbing nme airplanes stall faster trying to spiral climb due to the lift vector orientation?

Also, the ME109 is one of the fastest planes in the arena. However, using that speed in a dive is hazardous to your health. Use it more in the horizontal to extend and then climb back up to altitude.

I think Dyana posted a similar thread not to long ago on the 109 series. There were some good posts there too.

Fester' · « **Reply #8 on:** August 02, 2001, 06:14:00 PM »

spiral climb forces the bandit to pull lead to get guns on target and is predicated upon him not having enough altitude or speed to pull the nose up those extra few degrees thus denying him a shot before he stalls out.

a straight vertical climb gives low e bandit a nonmaneuvering target to shoot at as it zooms up even when stalling

raven 8 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2001, 09:15:00 PM »

sWULF saw ur movie there:-)

ill have to try the g2 someday, i flied the g10 for awhile, and believe me it does not turn as well as the g2:-)

a few comments on the movie:

what the hell were those B-17 thinking:-)......lololol

the first few kills looked cool and the climbing ability of the g2 looked awsome.

i was stuned by how the g2 turned, even with the yak at low alt, it was a high yoyo u did right......u were coming in fast, so u couldnt flat turn with him so u went up while turning then swooped down......thats a high yoyo right?

and i dont suppose vulching is ilegal in MA:-)

all in all, very very well flown.

lucky it was ur flap and not ur aileons:-)

<S>

rav

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raven 8 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2001, 10:23:00 PM »

just tried the g2 in h2h, had a good fight with an zeke(eye1111)

used that spiral climb pretty effectively, the zeke was smart enough to turn and run before he stalled

in that game outside view wre turned off, so i couldnt really see him turn away, if i did i could have turnd and chased after him i guess:-)

looking forward to fly the g2 in the future:-)

great little plane, but u have to have height advantage.

rav(messiah1)

raven 8 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2001, 10:27:00 PM »

oh one more thing.

dont pull up late. ie, if ur already 450miles/h. dont try to follow the bandit. i did this a few times. shot below the bandit, compressed. i recovered but by that time i was all over the place. and he got me:-)

so if ur not gonna get him, pull up and make another pass.

what the heck im doing:-).............this is like my first time flying the G2, so if what i sound elementry or wrong!.......forgive me:-)

rav(messiah)

Professor Fate · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2001, 09:03:00 PM »

109F-4/R1 is the key to attaining a truck load of perk points really quick. IMO it's the best turner compared to the other 109's and 109's only. Pit it against a spit or nik and it will get it's tail shot off quick, it lacks the acceleration and speed to seriously compete. BUT! I've learned you can almost always rope a Boom and Zoom plane into a turn fight because I guess they think 'Gustav' when they see the 109 icon and if they fight your fight you got'em. If they regognize you as a "Franz' all they have to do is extend and B-n-Z ya to death. Stay close to friends, hit and run when you are in crowd of bad guys.
Also seems P-51's love to scissor when caught on deck if you catch one doing this trying to evade your 109F-4 DON'T play that game just reduce speed and fly straight firing a burst everytime he passes in front of your gun sight it never fails. The P38 and F4U were my favorites though they're big targets and break easy.

I learned for the old gang at JG2 when 'Ripsnort' was CO that no matter what 109 you fly max cannon convergence should be no more than 325 and don't waste your ammo if the target is outside that setting. Unless of course the bandit's level and the pilot is AFK for a beer then go ahead and try the long shot before he gets back

The only other one I've used before was the 109G-10/R6 or /U4 all I can say is it's fast. First thing to do is turn off the 'combat trim' otherwise you'll end up augering. Set your trim keys to where they best work for you and use'em!

I've read that some people like to unload the MG before flight, I recommend you keep the ammo. It already has a limited ammo capacity don't make it worse, every little bit helps.

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raven 8 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2001, 10:39:00 PM »

augering means when u hit ground right?

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2001, 08:44:00 AM »

Why auger when combattrim on?,,,I dont

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But I must admit it takes one to get the fully out of the 109,,but when you do its
deadly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I hope