Author Topic: Please add Ki-84-I-Otsu (-Ib) for buff hunting? (Read 2170 times)

Sikboy · « **Reply #30 on:** November 21, 2004, 01:36:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing

What we really need is another late-war Japanese single engine carrier bomber.

D4Y would be a lifesaver for Special Events, and the far far future Pacific TOD.

-Sik

Arlo · « **Reply #31 on:** November 21, 2004, 01:49:41 PM »

Gliders. Hell - perk em.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #32 on:** November 21, 2004, 11:01:20 PM »

Why anyone asks for P63 is strange to me, heck it's likely even the Ta152 saw more combat in WW2...

soda72 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 21, 2004, 11:57:33 PM »

I would like to see the Ki-84-I-Ostu added...

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Originally posted by straffo
Wotan the only viable "french" plane I can think of are the P63 and the Yak3.

Bloch 152 and Dewoitine D520 may not be viable but would be interesting to have....

straffo · « **Reply #34 on:** November 22, 2004, 01:42:22 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why anyone asks for P63 is strange to me, heck it's likely even the Ta152 saw more combat in WW2...

hahemm a typo I thought P39 and wrote P63 ....

Soda add the MB155 for a "perked" french fighter

bunch · « **Reply #35 on:** November 22, 2004, 06:24:09 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
hahemm a typo I thought P39 and wrote P63 ....

Soda add the MB155 for a "perked" french fighter

Da, tovarich, dont know why i didnt say anything, but the VVS's P-63 unit was previously an I-16 unit, not a french one (i dont know too much about french manned fighting units of the VVS, but i've only heard of them using Yarkolev equiptment)...in an RPS i'd bet the D.520 would rule the period of the Battle of France/Battle of Britain era planes...D.520, the La-7 of it's time

Ghosth · « **Reply #36 on:** November 22, 2004, 08:24:23 AM »

I have to agree with Widewing.

We are in desperate need for soviet & Axis bombers. Yes including Italy!

While I would also like to see some additions to the US & RAF stables. The Axis currently never stand a chance compared to the US.

Mostly in terms of attack & bomber aircraft.
A good LW bomber, a Russian bomber (sorry iL2 doesn't count.) A Japanese bomber. (Betty will do if we must. Obviously I'd prefer an Emily)

Japanese attack aircraft would also be a huge addition to the plane set.
Our plane set screams for the ki-43, Ki-44, ki-45. Not to mention late war dive & torpedo planes.

Last, some quick Japanese varients would help fill out the planeset.

Ki-61 had 4 gun varients.
Same for ki-84.

I'd like to see a Nik varient that WASN:T 4 x 20mm.

If we can't have the planes that would put the axis on a more equal footing. Then HTC needs to find a way to give CM's control of what ord is loaded.

Does ANYONE have figures on how many bombs of each size were dropped by aircraft in WWII?

I'd really like to find some proof that US fighters were not running around in 43 with 1k bombs. That if they had bombs to spare at all they were likely 250's & 500's.

Kweassa · « **Reply #37 on:** November 22, 2004, 08:38:57 AM »

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I'd like to see a Nik varient that WASN:T 4 x 20mm.

Wasn't the N1K1 a 6-gun plane?

Two machine guns and four cannons?

Rasker · « **Reply #38 on:** November 22, 2004, 11:00:38 AM »

Mitsu, or anyone, have you found anywhere a source for the number of B29's claimed downed by pilots flying the various types thrown at them (Ki44s, Ki84s, J2Ms, etc.). I read of one pilot who claimed 4, was flying either J2M or Ki44.

Obviously theres a huge difference between claims and actual downs, as most 29s not returning to base went down somewhere on the extremely long return leg, well out of sight of the Japanese defense forces. Also Lemay did the smart thing by switching to night attacks fairly soon after Marianas-Japan operations began, cutting short encounters with ever more capable daylight interceptors.

Had the atomic bombs not achieved resolution short of invasion, I wonder if escorted daylight bomber raids might not have resumed in an effort to reduce Japanese fighter reserves prior to the invasion.

bunch · « **Reply #39 on:** November 22, 2004, 12:04:36 PM »

Had the atomic bombs not achieved resolution short of invasion, I wonder if escorted daylight bomber raids might not have resumed in an effort to reduce Japanese fighter reserves prior to the invasion.

Fuel shortages, both for the planes & the pilots (the food shortage) probably would have done that job even more efficiently...LeMay was running some mid/low alt ( ~15,000' ) daylight B-29 raids in the summer of 1945, wasn't he? Maybe that was their aim. I've got a book by a pilot who was sent up to intercept one of these raid in a Ki27 (he ice-candied the crap out of a B-29 & may have slightly damaged the wax finish on the 'plane)

rshubert · « **Reply #40 on:** November 22, 2004, 12:47:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Rasker
Mitsu, or anyone, have you found anywhere a source for the number of B29's claimed downed by pilots flying the various types thrown at them (Ki44s, Ki84s, J2Ms, etc.). I read of one pilot who claimed 4, was flying either J2M or Ki44.

Obviously theres a huge difference between claims and actual downs, as most 29s not returning to base went down somewhere on the extremely long return leg, well out of sight of the Japanese defense forces. Also Lemay did the smart thing by switching to night attacks fairly soon after Marianas-Japan operations began, cutting short encounters with ever more capable daylight interceptors.

Had the atomic bombs not achieved resolution short of invasion, I wonder if escorted daylight bomber raids might not have resumed in an effort to reduce Japanese fighter reserves prior to the invasion.

As I heard it, it wasn't interception that LeMay was working against--it was terrible results caused by extremely high winds at altitude (130+ mph), engine troubles and bombsight inaccuracy. The switch also doubled the bombload, since the climb time and power were not expended. LeMay realized that pinpoint bombing of the industrial targets could be substituted by wholesale destruction of population in the firestorms created by his techniques.

~~shubie~~

Rasker · « **Reply #41 on:** November 22, 2004, 01:05:14 PM »

Shubie, right you are that the main problems with high alt daylight raids were the jet stream winds, extra mechanical strain and reduced bombload. But it was the growing Japanese daylight air defense capability ensured that (unescorted, at least) lower alt raids were done at night.

Bunch, it's hard to imagine a Ki27 facing off with a B29. Doesn't that plane have fixed landing gear? He's lucky he wasn't hit with ricochet's from his mighty .30 gun(s).

bozon · « **Reply #42 on:** November 22, 2004, 02:03:52 PM »

the unperked RAF we have now is late 42 / early 43 and not even the best models of those. I really don't understand it - we have a beefed up spit 5 that is better than the spit9 - of which we have probably the worst model possible. It should have been the other way around, a normal spit 5 to cover 1942 period and a better model spit 9 representing 1943-44 force.

The XIV and Temp are not lightly perked and only see action in special events. yet the Dora, G10, La7 are free.

Urchin · « **Reply #43 on:** November 22, 2004, 03:30:01 PM »

I'd like to see a D.520 eventually, although I doubt it'd be very competitive with the Spit I and 109E.

P39, early P38, B25 maybe for US.. oh, and a Sherman..

Does the LW really need anything? Other than nicer loadouts for the 190F8 and maybe the Ju-87G I can't think of anything that would even be nice for "flavour".

Japanese on the other hand.. lots of room to expand there. Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45.. whatever the designation for the Raiden was.. at least I think that is the right name for it. Could definately use the Betty (G4M?)

Russia... kind of amazing all we have are the 44-45 superbirds... early war russian stuff would be nice. Be good to have a LW-VVS matchup that wasn't completely dominated by the VVS.

RAF needs some kind of 1943-1944 spit for the MA, the Spit 14 fits the bill but it unfortunately perked.. in spite of the fact that newbies couldn't fly it successfully and it is about 40 mph to slow to be a new el gay 7.

I think probably those would fill in the gaps nicely for the ToD.. all hangar queens in the MA though, unless if HTC adds a new spit it is better than the spit 9 all around (which the 14, imo, isn't).

Wotan · « **Reply #44 on:** November 22, 2004, 03:52:34 PM »

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Does the LW really need anything?

Yes but there's too much other stuff for other countries that is 'needed' more. Once those are filled the LW could use a 190A-3 or 4. The A-5 is a bit faster then the 3 or 4. The 3 in needed for NA and earlier east front.

They could use an A-6 as well (4 x mg 151/20mm)

They could use an E-7 for NA and early East front...

They could use a 109F-2 for the east because the F-4 didnt see sevice until the German were over Moscow.

They could use a 109G-14 (the G-10 pretty much covers the K-4, G-10 and G6/AS) for a late 109. (June '44 is when the G-14 saw service, it was Oct '44 for the G-10)

HT should get rid of the 110 C4/b with the DB601N engine. Only 7 were made. Its too fast for BoB, BoF, and NA. Model it with a DB601a.

They could use a Ju87B-2 for early war..

They could use an He-111, Do-17z, a 410 and a Ju-188.

I could think of quite a few more LW planes that would be 'needed' to make ToD something more then a structured CT with plane substitute roulette.