Author Topic: Dowding - do you think Tony Blair might have cooked his goose this time? (Read 722 times)

Yeager · « **Reply #15 on:** November 19, 2004, 02:25:13 PM »

thanks tali! makes sense

I actually see the hunting ban as a well deserved take away from the elite in UK society. It has long been my understanding the the average joe, wait! that doesnt work....that the average bloke never had a chance at fox hunting because it was a royalty ritual.

Screw that I say! Hunting is a right bestowed upon each person, to collect their required lot. I realize fox hunting is quite abit different but it looks like just bowling to me...anyone who wants to should be able to.

Correct me again, if I am wrong, again.....

Tali · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2004, 02:53:16 PM »

There is no barrier to who can hunt, apart from living close enough to the right kind of area and being accepted by a given hunt group I guess, it is not 'restricted' to nobility/royals etc. It costs more than it would In the USA, horses, hounds, tack, social commitments and so on is going to add up to more than the cost of a gun and a permit for you over there I'd guess. But as firearms are so controlled over here (not necessarily a bad thing) fox hunting could, and I say could, be seen in the same light as how the US sees say duck hunting, only fox hunting isn't protected by a constitution, just unwritten laws, tradition and unwritten constitution, which in the face of modern political correctness have no chance...but then again nanny Blair likes the old fashioned First Past the Post electoral system that gives his party an approx 3% advantage over the Conservatives, ahem.

I personally am very worried by any law the is a 'You can't' law outside of criminal activity.

I am not sure who in current mainsteam UK politics you think would be 'Socialist', becuase Labour hasn't been that for a while now.

As for actions in protest against the ban, one nice thing that has been done is a few farmers near Salisbury plane have had till now a 'gentleman's' agreement to let the militray use their land, they have now told the army that is no longer the case because of the ban. Nice, legal and news worthy in a non sensationalist way.

Yeager · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2004, 03:07:22 PM »

and perhaps hasten the apocalypse yeager is so keen on.
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Im not keen on it and one way or another, the end is NEAR!!!!!!

Swoop · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2004, 03:59:07 PM »

Beet,

Blair managed to piss me off years ago. In his first ever election manifesto he made a big deal about bikers, promised all kindsa stuff, so much that even the BMF were supporting the lying git. After the election.....bugger all. Then he scraps all student grants without so much as a by your leave, ignoring all the protests by every students union in the country. And then a couple of years ago I was watching auntie beeb from Holland and witnessed a speach by that 'orrible little man in which he stated "The British people don't need to have a referendum on the Euro." Now read that again in the condescending tone the bastard used.

Er.....what?

Excuse me?

You sayin' you know what I want better than I do?

Well no Mr Blair, you work for me not the other way around, I tell you what I bleedin' well want and you get to see it through. You don't get to tell me what I should want. So bollocks to ya, I'm voting Conservative.

[insert smilie of a rude gesture]

AKIron · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2004, 05:33:59 PM »

No foxes for fun!

Otto · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2004, 11:58:00 PM »

"No War for Foxes......"

beet1e · « **Reply #21 on:** November 20, 2004, 03:53:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Swoop
And then a couple of years ago I was watching auntie beeb from Holland and witnessed a speach by that 'orrible little man in which he stated "The British people don't need to have a referendum on the Euro." Now read that again in the condescending tone the bastard used.

Er.....what?

Excuse me?

You sayin' you know what I want better than I do?

Well no Mr Blair, you work for me not the other way around, I tell you what I bleedin' well want and you get to see it through. You don't get to tell me what I should want. So bollocks to ya, I'm voting Conservative.

Swoop - I think I saw that speech, or one like it, in October last year. Here's the press photo of Blair making it.

I agree with most that John Major's disastrous government just had to go in 1997, so I didn't vote at all. 2001 - still no-one worth voting for. But now - Blair must go!

What this country needs is a few million more Swoops who recognise that government is there to serve the people, not the other way round. At least the Cons are committed to ending all these tax increases, by shedding all these non jobs in the civil service that have been created by Labour. I heard somewhere (oops, sounding like Lazs) that the number of NHS bureaucrats was equivalent to a city the size of Sheffield.

Unbelievable.

Welcome to the blue corner, Swoop.

Tali · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2004, 06:27:33 PM »

Can we stick Swoop in preserving fluid, he's a national treasure!

Can we stick Blair in a vat of acid at the same time *innocent whistle*

beet1e · « **Reply #23 on:** November 21, 2004, 12:39:07 PM »

Tali - what part of the UK are you from?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #24 on:** November 21, 2004, 06:58:47 PM »

All y'all who are lookin' fer some gud huntin' c'mon acrossed the pond. I got me some kin in Mississippi who'll set y'up.

Pei · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2004, 07:49:46 PM »

I think Blunkett is as bad as his master Tony: his latest weeze are special courts with no jury or public access for people charged with terrorism - bye bye due process and fari trials.

Then there is his plans for national identity register and one Database to Rule them All.

Yeager · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2004, 10:35:35 PM »

with no jury or public access for people charged with terrorism
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the horror.......the horror

If you are in a situation where you are suspected of terrororism Im not so sure I want you having common rights.

Thrawn · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2004, 11:51:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
If you are in a situation where you are suspected of terrororism Im not so sure I want you having common rights.

Yeah, the terrorists want you to chuck out your constitution as well.

beet1e · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2004, 02:26:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
with no jury or public access for people charged with terrorism
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the horror.......the horror

If you are in a situation where you are suspected of terrororism Im not so sure I want you having common rights.

We use the concept of "innocent until proven guilty". Not sure how well it works in practice though.

Dowding · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2004, 05:15:39 AM »

Well Beetle, Stalin used the converse with interesting results.

The War on Terrorism is bogus. It's just another chapter in a continuing struggle against those who would destroy our way of life and pervert our laws; except this time, they seem to be winning without us even realising it.