Flying the P-38 by Elliot Dent

[Ack-Ack]

Actually, the limit for a F-15 is +9Gs and -3Gs for a pilot with a G suit on.


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[bunch]

Originally posted by SunTracker
Why do pilots black out at 6Gs in Aces High when pilots today can withstand 9Gs without G-suits on?

they had to decrease the G limit because there is no good virtual way to simulate crapping your pants

[Virage]

Originally posted by Widewing
It's not a high yo-yo...Watch this film, near the end you will see the "clover leaf" and why it works.

 

I saw some flap button mashing,  a spit pilot that reverses 'just because' and a stall auger... and anybody can do that.

Using a game to 'prove' a maneuver is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

Use some more clover in your pipe before you blow smoke up my 6 again please  

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Virage

Using a game to 'prove' a maneuver is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
 

Tell ya what, lets see if we can get someone to loan us a P-38 and a Spitfire to "prove" the maneuver. Ice cubes in hell have better odds.

Until that happens, this is what we have. Besides, Aces High is more than a game, it's a game within a flight sim, a very good flight sim. Furthermore, I have had one 83 year-old P-38 pilot fly the AH2 P-38 and he stated that he thought it was modeled with remarkably accuracy.

Within that context, using the method demonstrated (pull hard till she mushes, ease off, regain some speed and pull hard again) will gain you angles while maneuvering the P-38 against a Spitfire.
It works, and it's not a yo-yo by any means. It is simply taking advantage of the gentle stall and torque-free characteristics of the airplane. This maneuver is well documented and can be duplicated in Aces High.

My regards,

Widewing

[Guppy35]

Ok so I was board but I think this thread deserves the official stamp of approval

Dan/CorkyJr

[SunTracker]

Actually, the limit for a F-15 is +9Gs and -3Gs for a pilot with a G suit on.

The Thunderbirds and Blue Angels do not wear g-suits.

[Seeker]

Originally posted by SunTracker
Why do pilots black out at 6Gs in Aces High when pilots today can withstand 9Gs without G-suits on?

Because HTC is modeling WWII.

Olympic times have also fallen since then; due to better understanding of the physical needs; better technique and better training.

Likewise G-loc is better understood; the pilots in beter shape; the physical technique better developed and the seating more suitable.

But while thinking of this; what at what G limit do you think a heavies gunners become ineffective; either sat in the ball turret (which I guess would actually be a very good "G- position"; or standing free in the side window bays?

That sems to be a more glaring anomoly that wondering if the average limit for the average guy should be 6.8 or 7.2 G's......

[Angus]

5-6 G's for 6 seconds was the norm for a healthy young man....

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Originally posted by SunTracker
The Thunderbirds and Blue Angels do not wear g-suits.

Partially wrong.  The Blue Angels don't wear G-suits but the Thunderbirds to.

Why don't the pilots wear G-suits?
G-suits are designed with air bladders (pockets) that inflate and deflate to keep a pilot’s blood from pooling in the pilots’ legs while executing sharp, unpredicted combat maneuvers. Unlike combat flying, the Blue Angels demonstration pilots know the maneuvers they will fly prior to execution, each pilot knows when one will be pulling gravitational forces. Knowing and anticipating the changes in gravitational forces allows the Blue Angels demonstration pilots to combat the G-forces with muscle contractions. In addition, the Boeing F/A-18’s control stick is mounted between the pilot’s legs. The Blue Angels have a spring tensioned with 35 pounds of pressure installed on the control stick that gives the pilot a “false feel.” This allows the pilot minimal room for uncommanded movement. The pilots rest their right arms on their thighs for support and stability while flying. Therefore, inflating and deflating air bladders in a G-suits would interrupt this support and stability, causing uncommanded aircraft movement. In this case, Gsuits would detrimentally impact flight safety.

Blue Angles FAQ

Practicing for perfection: A day in the life of a Thunderbird pilot[/b]

He marches to the aircraft, salutes smartly to his crew chief, gets into his G-suit, climbs into the cockpit, shakes hands with his crew chief and gets ready to launch. Near his knee, taped inside his cockpit, is a picture of his wife. Even though she's the love of his life, thoughts of her get pushed aside when he puts his game face on like a helmet. Once he releases the jet's brakes, he said he's "in a bubble."

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So as you can see the two reasons why the Blue Angels don't wear them is 1) Placement of the stick 2) They know what maneuvers they are going to do before hand, unlike a combat pilot.


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