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Offline YTSSGTD

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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2004, 02:18:58 PM »
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he is sandman posting under that handle to get around backing that munster guy in the last election.

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And no this is my handle oscar.

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2004, 02:23:17 PM »
Inflammatory (he really is a Marine)
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2004, 02:37:30 PM »
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whithawk... a simple armband has been recognized as a "uniform" by most nations and courts.

It is simple... blame the moron terrorist strategist that came up with the "fake surrender" "fake death" strategy.

If they move when I come into a room and I can't see their hand...  I would shoot.

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Here we go agreeing again.  That was a clearing operation.  Everybody shoots everrything that moves in a clearing operation.  I was surprised by the discussion I heard in the video, frankly.

I read that during one terrorist takedown in London a few years ago, one of the terrorist bodies had more than 100 bullet holes.  Every SAS troop that went past it shot it--per standard procedure.

Kiddies, this is COMBAT, and people get killed.  If it's a fair fight, things did NOT go according to plan.  The idea is to kill the opposition and make them stop trying to kill the good guys.

If the guy was so innocent, why didn't he go home a few weeks ago and STAY THERE?  There was no good reason to be in that shot up mosque with an AKM at hand, unless he had plans to fight.  Since he was a combatant, then he put his own life at risk, and died because of his own decisions.



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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2004, 02:54:32 PM »
From Matthew Heidt at Froogy Ruminations this guy sums it up as I see it.


"It’s a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, put a security round in everybody’s head. Sorry al-Reuters, there’s no paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up “prisoners” and offering them a hot cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There’s no time to dick around in the target, you clear the space, dump the chumps, and moveon.org. Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey libs, worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and abuse for a Corpsman to spend one man minute or a battle dressing on a terrorist, its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.

By the way, terrorists who chop off civilian’s heads are not prisoners, they are carcasses.

UPDATE: Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web, and many people get this concept, but there are some stragglers. Here is your situation Marine. You just took fire from unlawful combatants shooting from a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their position as protection. But you’re in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they’re not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s (Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down. So you run over there, and find some tangos wounded and pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular with these kind of idiots, and like taking some Marines with them would be really cool. So you can either risk your life and your fireteam’s lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you think is pretending to be dead for some reason. Also, you don’t know who or what is in the next room, and you’re already speaking english to each other and its loud because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you still have this terrorist that was just shooting at you from a mosque playing possum. What do you do?

You double tap his head, and you go to the next room, that’s what.

What about the Geneva Conventions and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff? What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand you first thought should be, “I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.” Bear in mind that this is a perpetual mindset that is reinforced by experiences gained on a minute by minute basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary which is a double No No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to take “prisoners” because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the behavior of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good and the high end of no good are fundamentally the same... Marines get hurt or die. So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this idiot and get on with the mission.

If you are a veteran then everything I have just written is self evident, if you are not a veteran than at least try to put yourself in the situation. Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only now. Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a week? It is not easy, and if you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your hole about putting Marines in jail for war crimes. Be advised, I am not talking to my readers, but if this post gets linked up, I want regular folks to get this message loud and clear."

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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2004, 05:18:33 PM »
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Btw... why is it so easy for you to assume that the Marine is just a bloodthirsty animal that just wants to kill whatever he can get away with?


Why is it ok for you to assume that that is what I assumed, imbecile.
  If the enmey warrior is faking death wiht an ak 47 next to his head, then he deserves to die a KIA.
  The news, at the time of this post, was reporting, "unarmed, wounded, iraqi".    I guess they forgot to update it to the "dirty bearded flea bitten rabid terrorist reaching for his gun'.
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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2004, 05:34:47 PM »
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  The news, at the time of this post, was reporting, "unarmed, wounded, iraqi".    I guess they forgot to update it to the "dirty bearded flea bitten rabid terrorist reaching for his gun'.


Dang that media. They very seldom report the truth.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2004, 06:08:35 PM »
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LOL !  Let me guess.. you were a sniper in your previous life and now you're training with counterstrike how to become l33t warrior but forgot to take your meds ?
You're nothing but a bad joke.


Im a Marine gunner on a CH-46E I've been in for 9yrs and I have been in COMBAT. How about YOU.? BOY!!

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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2004, 06:12:26 PM »
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"unarmed, wounded, iraqi".    I guess they forgot to update it to the "dirty bearded flea bitten rabid terrorist reaching for his gun'.


Things is.

Did they know the Guy was unarmed before they killed him, or after.

Easy to say after they killed him he was unarmed.

If they had stuck their head in the room saw the wounded guy and backed off leaving him there the reporting undoubtedly would have read.

"It was unclear if the was armed or not".

In the end with the media its a no win situation.

Lets flip the coin over for a moment and say the guy was armed and pulled a gun and blew the guy away.

the media would be reporting on what a terrible and dangerous situation they were in.
Thats if it made the news at all.

And everyone here would be commenting on what an idiot the marine was
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« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2004, 06:19:53 PM »
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Things is.

Did they know the Guy was unarmed before they killed him, or after.

Easy to say after they killed him he was unarmed.

If they had stuck their head in the room saw the wounded guy and backed off leaving him there the reporting undoubtedly would have read.

"It was unclear if the was armed or not".

In the end with the media its a no win situation.

Lets flip the coin over for a moment and say the guy was armed and pulled a gun and blew the guy away.

the media would be reporting on what a terrible and dangerous situation they were in.
Thats if it made the news at all.

And everyone here would be commenting on what an idiot the marine was


Well Said....

And just a a side note.....I saw the unedited version of that Video. Ya know..they report that the an unarmed man was killed...yet NEVER ever say anything about the OTHER wounded Insurgent that was taken care of lying there under a blanket.

Now It seems to me that the Marine in question probably made is decision based on a threat he percieved at that moment. The guy moved and he thought it a threat.

The guy behind him covered in a blanket talking was watched closely by 2 other marines. Yet , that guy wasn't shot or even given a hassle.

Leads me to believe that the one killed definatly was a threat and dealt with. Especially if there was an AK47 laying there. There certainly wasn't one laying by the other wounded guy.
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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2004, 07:55:30 PM »
If I was there I would shoot everything, just to make sure it's dead. Don't like the job i'm doing, send me home, plz.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2004, 09:28:57 PM »
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Im a Marine gunner on a CH-46E I've been in for 9yrs and I have been in COMBAT. How about YOU.? BOY!!


Served my time in Finnish Army in eighties as combat engineer, half of the time in the woods, but no combat experience. However my guess is I could blow your copter to the next century quite easily; I liked plastic :)

"Boy"... :D
You might think how to behave when discussing in public; You seem to be a bit "special" when you call others as "boys" and use... err... what the heck is oscar ?

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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2004, 11:33:17 PM »
<----saunters by draggin a lawn chair...

who's got th beer?:)

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« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2004, 06:10:33 AM »
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Dang that media. They very seldom report the truth.:rolleyes:


  Absolutely.  As they are not allowed to by the govt.  The government is not confident in your ability to make the decision whether this war is justified to continue, endlessly, creating huge, possibly unrecoverable debt for the USA.  '

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« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2004, 01:53:51 PM »
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Absolutely.  As they are not allowed to by the govt.  The government is not confident in your ability to make the decision whether this war is justified to continue, endlessly, creating huge, possibly unrecoverable debt for the USA.  '

:rofl