The reason highly skilled pilots beat me.

[mechanic]

after a quick dueling match with Stang the other night, i worked out why i get beat in a one on one. the only reason i get beaten in a fair fight, or even a fight i have the advantage in, is this:

YOU GUYS WHO ARE GOOD, FLY SO DAMN PRETTY IT MAKES ME FALL OFF MY CHAIR JUST WATCHING YOU, LET ALONE TRY AND KILL YOU!!

Stang, the way you can make a 109f destroy my spit5 is unbelieveable. I was so awestruck by the skills displayed that i flew like a 2 week newbie again!

previous fights against the likes of ManeTMP and XtremeJ also produce these results. I should be beating you from the situation provided (mane beat a spit5 in a D3A - ) but due to the unpredictable RAW SKILL displayed i lose through default!

you guys who fly so well know who you are!

I salute you and hope oneday to learn as much as you know.

thanks to all who beat me with the skill they do, i learn more from these schoolings than a thousand MA fights.

[simshell]

while flying one of those major events with my old air raiders squad it was jet vs jet combat  we had D3A's to rescue downed pilots  

well i came to help a squady at a VH he had no ammo left and a D3A was trying to kill him

well i came in and pulled so hard i ripped my wings off and my squady was shot down by the D3A


the sadd part about this was that we were both in ME262's

[Vudak]

Originally posted by mechanic


thanks to all who beat me with the skill they do, i learn more from these schoolings than a thousand MA fights.

Darn right.

[dedalos]

Its not the pilot, its the plane remember?

PERK THE D3A NOW!!!!

[rv6]

Well put Mechanic..  
I'm a middle of the road 1v1 AH flyer, maybe a little above average?  What a rush when you get to duel a 1v1 "good guy" and walk back to base saying "whadafk was DAT!?" Ha!  My  N1K shot to pieces by an IL2 in a turn fight? (by: Shane, Greebo, etc) Ahahaa!

Couple things that I always wonder however..

In the MA, one's SA skill can bring a "ho-hum" Sim pilot like me, onto a somewhat even footing with the super-dupers.  Fair fights? (is always asked).. Nope.  Sure ain't.  Every single one of the WWII ACM books I've read (dozens) from both US & Jap/German pilots, all say basically the same thing;

The prime gaming goal was to attack by surpise from a commanding position, kill quickly, and/or get the hell away, ASAP!

NOT, to EVER engage in a co-alt 1v1 on even footing..  If this happened, then you'd done something wrong,, a total screwup.

The 2nd thing I wonder, (after being amazed at the "good guys" sim skills) is what percentage of them have ever flown a real plane?

And from that percent, how many of them have ever felt the sickening effects of pulling +6 G's for a sustained period of time?

And of that percentage, how many would NOT fill the cockpit with spew, and/or simply see those little yellow stars slowly blank out your vision,and you go to sleep, trying to get that last 2 degrees of lead for a shot?

And of those few left,(if any?)who would be able to survive the longest "cummulative" amount of G's trying to follow a snap-rolling adversary,now pulling up in a +7G bottom-off loop before going straight into the Atlantic at 400kts?

Unlike watching your screen go dark, and waiting for it to clear?  It kinda' adds the "Physical" endurance element to a winner or looser.

Would be a cool AH/HT contest to have an ultimate dueling ladder, aye?  Take the top 5 best in the game.. and send them to "Air Combat USA" to pull G's in SIA-Marchetti's, aerial laser tag!  See who is really "the best"  (it sure ain't me! I've pulled "sustained" +6gs before, and it SUX! ha!)

:-)

[Urchin]

I'm not sure how well "virtual" experience would translate into real life performance.  The stuff is all the same, I think, but there is physical feedback that could both enhance and detract from the experience.  

There used to be a guy in AH who flew F-15s (I think).. but he quit.  

Fester is a pilot, not a military one though.   Don't think Leviathn or Shane have been pilots, I could be wrong... all my experience is of the virtual sort, I've only been in a plane like 4 times in my life.

[kj714]

How much did they pay you to post this?

[RookieCAF]

They kill me because I'm a sucky pilot

[Fang]

Yup, those are three guys you can really learn something from.  I started playing AH about 2 or 3 years ago, and shortly after that I was a squaddie of Manes.  Just watch him and you'll learn plenty to keep you alive against most pilots.  Thats how I learned to fly.

Hes really good in DA, but at the same time he would be the first person I would want to wing with in MA.

[go4maw]

Im with Rookie  

[Stang]

But Rookie, Gopher, I bet that doesn't mean you guys run from an enemy frantically like a kid who sees a neighbors chained up dog barking at them either, like most do.  

[RookieCAF]

I tend to stay in the fight past the point where I should, yes...

[Shane]

never flew a plane in real life.  but did stay at a holiday inn express once.


i think teh basics would be the same.  i didn't start my acm experience alreay knowing things. it took time to acquire.  just as pulling hard, sustained g's would most likely get me to barf all over the cockpit, but repeated experience and proper equipment would eventually allow me to pull those g's without the barf. it's all cumulative, the more you do something....

[mechanic]

Originally posted by kj714
How much did they pay you to post this?

they didnt pay me, they kicked my butt in DA.

i wasnt sucking up, just comenting on how unpredictable these Aces are.

the majority of MA fights i can predict what a pilot will do, depending on what plane i'm fighting.

but the really, REALLY good guys can easily beat me even when i have the advantage purely because i will spend half as much time gawping at the moves they do as actually trying to counter them.

against a pilot of similar skill i spend most of my time working a gun solution. against pilots who greatly outclass me i spend 40% of time watching them and 60% of time avoiding their gun solutions.

I think i beat stang once out of 15 or so fights, and only because he underestimated my aim on a rope

my aim and SA is what i have chisseled to perfection i think, its my ACM and general airspeed management (almost same thing as ACM, but not quite) i need to improve.

[oboe]

I agree SA can make up for alot.    When I've run up against the elite pilots, I

usually know right away.   There's this impossibly hard break high right or left,

followed by a barrel roll onto my tail.   Sometimes I just watch in awe and forget

to do anything, it all happens so fast.

I had one of the funnest fights ever yesterday in the MA.  I was in nopoop's

excellent 354thFG Jug skin (yellow cowl with skull and crossbones) and had just

finished extending from a pass on a Spit near an enemy base.    I noticed a hi 190

icon, and thinking he was more of a threat I kept him on my nose, and kept my energy

up.    When it became apparent by the slow rate of closure that he was heading away

from me, I poured on the coal and pointed my nose up to try a sneaky low-6 bounce.

The 190, fat dumb and happy, continued its slow climbout to about 10K and leveled.  

 The distance closed.   Now I could make out a 190A5 with rockets and a DT.    I

started feeling a little guilty about the low-6 bounce, so I cut throttle and slowed

my closure rate.    I climbed a little to match hsi altitude, and moved off to his

right, continuing to close the distance.    Finally, I was almost even with him, and

still no reaction from the enemy!   Was he AFK?   I slid into tight formation with

him, 0' off his right wing.    I imagined myself waving at the enemy pilot and

waiting for the startled expression on his face.    I pointed down at the row of

kill marks below my canopy, and smiled as I pointed back at him - making a slashing

gesture across my throat to let him know it was his turn.

Finally seeing me, the 190 whipped over into a split-S and plunged for the deck.   I

rolled oppposite and followed him down, full of confidence in my Jug's ability to

stay with the 190.   We descended from 10K to the deck in a series of

steep-shallow-steep-shallow dives, the enemy pilot jinking skillfully to avoid my

brief bursts of machine gun fire.    

Out of altitude, the 190 pilot began scissoring hard to force an overshoot.   I'd

give him a burst as he crossed my nose, then pull up and roll inverted to keep an

eye on him, and drop back down on his tail and blast him again.    My Jug stayed

with him beautifully.   It wasn't long before a solid burst from my 8 .50s sent him

plunging into the trees below.

Luftwaffe pilot, was a great fight.