Author Topic: Boston K/D (Read 758 times)

Scrap · « **on:** November 20, 2004, 02:02:20 AM »

Was just looking at the stats on innominate's site and notinced that the Boston III has a WORSE k/d than a Goon this tour.

Boston III (0.04)

C47-A (0.05)

Come on man! How can an unarmed transport beat an armed buff in k/d in the MA?

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2004, 03:35:34 AM »

Scrap--

Since goons usually fly real low, they sometimes get "manuver" kills when enemy planes crash attacking them.

MRPLUTO

Schatzi · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2004, 05:18:48 AM »

LOOL, thats really cool....

but i think youre right, those are probably proxies.

Proves again that you should never trust any statistic you havent manipulated yourself

Scrap · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2004, 11:18:35 AM »

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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
Scrap--

Since goons usually fly real low, they sometimes get "manuver" kills when enemy planes crash attacking them.

MRPLUTO

Oh I understand the idea that Goons get a few proxies here and there. I just thought it was funny that the k/d of the armed Boston was worse than the Goon.

Easyscor · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2004, 11:34:29 AM »

Htc fixed the tail gun cut-out in the last patch so the stats should improve now.

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2004, 06:40:04 PM »

Easyscor--

I hadn't heard that; thanks for the info.

MRPLUTO

Scrap · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2004, 09:07:29 PM »

Heh. What was the matter with the tail gun Easy?

... It's been ages since I upped a Boston.

Easyscor · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2004, 10:00:36 PM »

The cut-out for the tail almost completely blocked all angles of fire from the (top) turret. It's fixed now.

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2004, 01:27:20 AM »

The problem isn't why the boston is so poor, but why the havoc is so freakin' uber. I tried to kill a havoc in a hurc and I had the advantage, and it just ran away like a tempest. It's BS that this thing flies so much like a fighter. He was pulling all sorts of Gs on a bomber frame. It's meant for GROUND ATTACK, not outrunning every plane from the same era.

If it were that damn effective in real life it would NEVER have been shot down! A Hurricane is a pretty good plane. I was in a MkIID, trying to land some 40mm hits. The very few snap shots I got I missed, but the way the A20G handles is totally bogus for a plane of its type, it's era and its frame.

It's a bomber frame that handles Gs like a temp and turns tighter than half the planes in the game, outruns the other half, and is just plain silly.

It's not the Boston that needs looking at, it's the Havoc.

Boston is an early war plane. It's nto going to have good stats or good K/D, because people will use late-era planes to bomb.

It's mostly meant for scenarios. The A20g on the other hand, is left OUT of scenarios because it's just too damn FAST and outruns all other planes from its time.

Oh well, sorry for the momentary side track.

Widewing · « **Reply #9 on:** November 21, 2004, 02:33:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
The problem isn't why the boston is so poor, but why the havoc is so freakin' uber. I tried to kill a havoc in a hurc and I had the advantage, and it just ran away like a tempest. It's BS that this thing flies so much like a fighter. He was pulling all sorts of Gs on a bomber frame. It's meant for GROUND ATTACK, not outrunning every plane from the same era.

If it were that damn effective in real life it would NEVER have been shot down! A Hurricane is a pretty good plane. I was in a MkIID, trying to land some 40mm hits. The very few snap shots I got I missed, but the way the A20G handles is totally bogus for a plane of its type, it's era and its frame.

It's a bomber frame that handles Gs like a temp and turns tighter than half the planes in the game, outruns the other half, and is just plain silly.

It's not the Boston that needs looking at, it's the Havoc.

Boston is an early war plane. It's nto going to have good stats or good K/D, because people will use late-era planes to bomb.

It's mostly meant for scenarios. The A20g on the other hand, is left OUT of scenarios because it's just too damn FAST and outruns all other planes from its time.

Oh well, sorry for the momentary side track.

The A-20G was faster than any version of the Hurricane. Its dive acceleration was remarkable (due to its weight).

Think about this: The A-20G, with 25% gas weighs less than a P-38 with full tanks.... And it has the same horsepower (3,200).

The A-20G is not an early-war aircraft. It was reaching the front lines in mid 1943.

I remember a Guadalcanal setup in the CT... The A-20G beat the daylights out of the A6M2.... And, it should.

Don't whine about the A-20G, learn to fly it. Or, learn how to beat it. It really isn't all that uber.

But the way, the Hurricane IID is a whistling watermelon can of a fighter. Probably the worst fighter in the game. It certainly is the slowest.

My regards,

Widewing

Schatzi · « **Reply #10 on:** November 21, 2004, 04:40:51 AM »

I dont know much about a20 and its performance (never flew it).

But i got most of my kills this tour in a Hurri (a Mk IIC). Certainly its very slow, and cant follow anything. That just requires a different fighting style. And i dont think theres much that beats hurri in a turnfight... (assuming two decent pilots). And the IIc has mean canons

- my reason for not flying IId - so usually one or two snapshots are enough for a kill.
Another thing that works in favor of hurri is that most people dont take it serious... until theyre down.

PS: the first thing i learned in this game was: 'beware of GTR, he would shoot you down in a goon...'

Schutt · « **Reply #11 on:** November 21, 2004, 07:00:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing

But the way, the Hurricane IID is a whistling watermelon can of a fighter. Probably the worst fighter in the game. It certainly is the slowest.

Hurricane 1, F4f and A6m2 are slower actually. Admitted, the A6m2 only below 7k or so. Its not the slowest fighter

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ciao schutt

Kegger26 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2004, 04:01:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
The problem isn't why the boston is so poor, but why the havoc is so freakin' uber. I tried to kill a havoc in a hurc and I had the advantage, and it just ran away like a tempest. It's BS that this thing flies so much like a fighter. He was pulling all sorts of Gs on a bomber frame. It's meant for GROUND ATTACK, not outrunning every plane from the same era.

If it were that damn effective in real life it would NEVER have been shot down! A Hurricane is a pretty good plane. I was in a MkIID, trying to land some 40mm hits. The very few snap shots I got I missed, but the way the A20G handles is totally bogus for a plane of its type, it's era and its frame.

It's a bomber frame that handles Gs like a temp and turns tighter than half the planes in the game, outruns the other half, and is just plain silly.

It's not the Boston that needs looking at, it's the Havoc.

Boston is an early war plane. It's nto going to have good stats or good K/D, because people will use late-era planes to bomb.

It's mostly meant for scenarios. The A20g on the other hand, is left OUT of scenarios because it's just too damn FAST and outruns all other planes from its time.

Oh well, sorry for the momentary side track.

The A-20 was used as a low lvl fighter as well as an attack aircraft. I use to fly only the A20 in AH1 and I did pretty well with it. Alot of pilots over look it and refer to it as a bomber just as you did. They try to attack it as a bomber, again there mistake. With flaps and alot of rudder work I could turn with a Spit 9 for a turn or two. If I found that I was losing the advantage, I would dive a bit and extend. Then I would set up again to attack. The trick is you have to be willing to spend alot of time for a low amount of kills. You may spen 40 mins in a furball and only come away with 3-4 kills, this is becuase you cant afford to get low and slow on the deck.
The fram of the A20 isnt that big. It has a two man crew but that is it. Hardly a bomber. Like Widewing said it weighs less that a P38 with a 25% fuel load and has the same amount of horse power. Do the math. The A20 has alot of things working agianst it as well. Though most of these things have to do with the pilot and not so much with the airplane.

Scrap · « **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2004, 03:34:52 AM »

OK... now where is Cobia at?

Midnight · « **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2004, 08:31:37 AM »

You guys are missing the obvious reason that C47s have a better K/D than the BostonIII....

The Boston is most likely normally flown in formations of 3. Formations of 3 have a huge damage bug problem that allows a cannon-armed attacket to kill 2 (sometimes all 3) bombers in a single pass.

HTC please fix the damage model of the bombers. Make them able to take some abuse and stop the instant explosions and warping to center when one is killed.