5 hunters murdered in northern Wisconsin?

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by dedalos
Give humans a chance and they will kill in an instant in the name of relegion, property, because they are better than others, because they are the right color, because 'they were following orders', because of anything really.

I don't, and i'm not the only one. Lots live and let live, and value life very much. It must be that some have not evolved as far as others.

[lazs2]

wide... the loads you mention are very much on the hot side for the .357 but I would say that they were safe in a carbine.... 296 or h110 would be good powders for such hot loads in a longer barrel like a carbine.  

You are correct in that the bullet itself is important.   The problem with pistol bullets is that they are made to expand at relatively low velocities.   This makes them less than Ideal for game.   I have loaded 44 mags for pig and dear and bear huinters with 250-300 grain cast lead bullets at 1300 fps or so from revolvers that really anchor game when they hit... little or no expansion.

I would be interested in what kind of bullet the guy was using in the little 30 caliber SKS.  certainly not FMJ?    The SKS can be loaded from a "clip" but the clip is discarded after it is used to insert the rounds into the magazine.   trivial stuff I guess.

I will admit to being surprised that so many died so quickly from their wounds... I would have expected less dead and more wounded.

oh..jigs... I meant that he didn't understand his rights on keeping and bearing arms.   You don't have the right to threaten innocent people with em.

lazs

[Dago]

I saw on the news this morning, the 6th victim to die was a young lady, in her picture she was dressed in surgical garb, probably was a nurse.

The shooter was on the other hunting parties private land in their privately owned deer stand and was told he would have to leave.

My understanding is, after he was forced to leave, he returned and opened fire.  Not exactly defending oneself when you leave and then return to shoot them up.  He is claiming that he was shot at first, but I don't think anyone will buy that story.  Two survivors tell a differant story.

He is a Hmong from Laos.  

dago

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by lazs2

I will admit to being surprised that so many died so quickly from their wounds... I would have expected less dead and more wounded.
lazs

 The guy earned a sharpshooter badge, seems he know just where to hit them. might be interesting to see if the victims were hit more than once.

I know that folks don't usually hunt in midday, but what were the other hunters thinking about not heading out w/o their weapons?

[koda76]

My sks loads 5-10-20-30-and 33 round clips. the 5 is used for hunting...(never used it) I also have a few 33 round clips for taking cedar trees down. Most people by the cheap korean ammo...(has a funny smell) ....the avg. 7.62 hollow point is 122 grains....they have silver tipped at the same grain....and of course the AP anywhere from 54 grains up.....the ap will penetrate 13mm of steel. (or in my case a cedar tree with a 12" trunk).
I still think the guy "sniped" them as they came riding up on their ATV's.....the invistigation will bring out more facts or muddy up the current facts. ....The shooter also had been in the US Army....so I'm sure he was fully aware of what he was doing.

[Staga]

So some nutcase killed 6 hunters just for fun; so far everything is clear.

Now what I'm interested is are you going to do anything to stop incidents like this happen again?

[Pongo]

You cannot.

[Staga]

Well how about trying to make it a bit harder to commit murders like this?

[EN4CER]

Sorry guys - getting to some of these late - I'm still in Florida for the Holidays.

Curious if they were Pistons or Pacers fans?  Maybe they were arguing about the Basekt Brawl?  Only other call that I hate responding to other than a Domestic Incident is Incident Hunters.  Nothing worse than approaching a group of red neck hunters (Not all hunters are red necks but the ones that I usually have to deal with don't have a full set of teeth plus their usually salamandered) holding 12 gauge shotguns, giving you that mile long stare, and responding to your questions with nothing other than "Yup."

Fighting over tree stand territory - how primitive and tribal can you get?

[koda76]

Now what I'm interested is are you going to do anything to stop incidents like this happen again?

Stop what?And who? Humm the death penalty is not enough of a deterent?
Guns don't kill people.... people kill people.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Staga
So some nutcase killed 6 hunters just for fun; so far everything is clear.

Now what I'm interested is are you going to do anything to stop incidents like this happen again?

Death penalty has a zero recidivism rate.

[Staga]

Maveric, I wonder how many of these snipers and "Hunter Hunters" are repeating their crime anyways; even if without deathpenalty?

I'd think bigger threat is that guy who is just about to snap but who still walks free, capable of buying a semiauto "hunting-rifle" just for fun.

It's about your childrens, your relatives, your friends...  Not mine, if some nutcase opens fire with semi- or fullauto in US there's nobody I know under fire so frankly speaking I really don't care much.
I'm just interested about the issue because nutcases with firearms looks to be a problem in US but you're not doing anything about it.
Compare to Iraq; they weren't a threat for you but that didn't stop you invading there?

Oh well, there's saying "You made your bed; now you have to lay in it" or something like that.

[lazs2]

staga... what would you suggest that we do about it?

We could stop all immigration and give everyone left a psyc test every 6 months or so but with allmost 300 million people that might get a triffle cumbersome.

lazs

[Nash]

Because everybody knows... all murders are committed by immigrants.

[OIO]

damn i better get with the program and nail someone then