Ukraine

[Boroda]

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Boroda u think the european parlement is unfair and not subjective ?

It is unfair and subjective in most of the affairs concerning former USSR countries. Look at them supporting Chechen terrorists and closing eyes on nazis in Baltic republics.

They are just a bunch of freaks obsessed by "liberal values" when they don't concern them.

Sorry.

In this case they are victims of their own idealism, or simply trying to install another puppet regime.

[mora]

Originally posted by Boroda
and closing eyes on nazis in Baltic republics.

Would you care to elaborate?

I guess if you look it from a commie perspective anything even slightly to the right is "nazi". This also seems to work the other way around.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by mora
Would you care to elaborate?

I guess if you look it from a commie perspective anything even slightly to the right is "nazi". This also seems to work the other way around.

They have official museums of SS troops in Latvia. They declare SS bastards "freedom-fighters". They have annual SS "veteran" parades. In Estonia they build memorials in honor of SS butchers...

In Latvia over 50% of population is deprived of the right to have education in their own language. Ethnic Russians and other non-native population are thrown  out of their homes, simply because they can't get citizenship.

Look, in Finland you have a second language, Swedish, while Swedes are about 10-20% of population. In Latvia only 40% are ethnic Latvian, other 60% are Russians, Ukrainians and other Russian-speaking nations. They can't have Russian schools etc.

[scout]

It is one of the leading news here in Sweden today, including OSCE declaring it unfair.

[straffo]

I've trouble following your reasong Boroda , you say you don't love Putin but endorse the doubtfull election of one of his puppet ?

Concerning this :

In Latvia over 50% of population is deprived of the right to have education in their own language. Ethnic Russians and other non-native population are thrown out of their homes, simply because they can't get citizenship.

Isn't this a kind of payback ? (I'm not sure as I've not a goog knowledge of the history of this area)

[Boroda]

Originally posted by straffo
I've trouble following your reasong Boroda , you say you don't love Putin but endorse the doubtfull election of one of his puppet ?

I prefer Russian puppet (that i doubt) to obvious follower of mr. Brzezinsky.

Do you follow the news? That orange bastard declared himself a president violating the Constitution.

I find it amazing. I am waiting for Great Democratic Powers of the West to declare support for Yuschenko, making it obvious that they always can throw away any "democracy" or Constitution to support their criminal puppets.

Now it's obvious that he's no more then a power-hungry gangster, who doesn't care about any laws. If he'll not be arrested for insurgency - political purges will start in a matter of weeks.

[straffo]

Don't be so agressive , I'm not my governement

IMO the situation in Ukraine is pretty fu* up , the more I learn about this country the more it seems to me it's just 2 countries like was Czecoslovaquia ...

The question remain : which puppet  is better for the Ukrainian citizen ?
One that can attract the money of the  West ?
or
the other ?

[Pongo]

The Ukrain isn't ready for democracy yet and the US is bored of it.

Boroda, how did all those non lithuanians get to lithuania?

[Ripsnort]

3rd day of protesting has basically shut the city down.

Almost complete official results show Yanukovich won a poll that Western observers say was marked by mass fraud.

The United States and the European Union both urged Ukraine not to certify the election result until claims of fraud are investigated. EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said Ukraine was at a crossroads over the results and could turn violent.

[bikekil]

Originally posted by Boroda
BTW, Commonwealth and Eastern-European observers found some violations, but declared that they were minor and couldn't affect the election results. [/B]

Not sure if Eastern-European is refering to Poland (i mean in the sentence above), but Polish observers have found some MAJOR violations andeveryone (not any given political fraction, but every fraction) and every observer we have/had there is sure that the violations affected the results of elections in Ukraina.

Now if you ask me, i don't think that Yanukovich had to win 75% to 25%.
I say that:
a) everything before the election day was unfair and in favour of Yanukovich, especially when we speak about closing the "independent" TV stations, advertisements times and so on...
b) as far is i hear, there is a SERIOS doubt if the results are not fake
c) i see a lot of folks protesting the results

so i think that something is wrong.

I'm far from saying that EU or USA have much to say about it.. as it's Ukrainian and Ukrainian ONLY business, BUT
if Russia can say a word and can support Yanukovich, any other country have the same right to support the other candidate.

As i said, the best option would be if Ukraina can solve the problem by itself, without a help from Russia, EU and USA, that'd be the best way.

[bikekil]

Originally posted by Boroda
I find it amazing. I am waiting for Great Democratic Powers of the West to declare support for Yuschenko, making it obvious that they always can throw away any "democracy" or Constitution to support their criminal puppets.

Boroda. It's just a question, not an attack - you say that Yuschenko is a criminal? I'
ve heard that Yanukovich was prisoned two times (?) in his past not the Yuschenko. Or i've mixed things up?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
3rd day of protesting has basically shut the city down.

From my friends in Kiev I know it's not true.

It's an "uprising" of people who have nothing to do. Real people work or drink.

What we have is a criminal, supported by so-called "western democracies", who tries to usurp the power.

The real choice of Ukrainian people doesn't worry you.

We had this in Russia in 1993, when Yeltsin butchered thousands in Ostankino and Krasnaya Presnya... Ukrainians are happy they didn't suffer this things sponsored by western enemy,

Again, I want to quote Lenin: "When I hear someone speaking about democracy, I want to know - in who's favour"...

[Boroda]

Originally posted by bikekil
Boroda. It's just a question, not an attack - you say that Yuschenko is a criminal? I'
ve heard that Yanukovich was prisoned two times (?) in his past not the Yuschenko. Or i've mixed things up?

Mr. Yu is a criminal - he tries to get the power ignoring the official results of the elections.

Yanukovich was in prison in Soviet times. In hard times. My relatives were in prison in Soviet times too... But he doesn't try to start a civil war, doesn't declare that the elections are fake before seeing the results, he accepts any result without calling people to the streets.

How to spell a name of a pro-western candidate:

In Cyrillic he's "Ющенко".

In Latin:

Youshchenko

Jushenko

Yuschenko

Ushenko

Juchenko

Youshenko

etc ad nauseum.

Two Cyrillic letters "Ю" and "Щ" can be spelled as "YOU" and "SHCH". Or whatever youu like, depending on your local dialect.

The situation is like this:

Imagine that in 2000 Al Gore declares that the elections are faked, and calls his supporters to come to the streets. They block traffic in DC, and mr. Gore declares himself a "president" in a Capitol, supported by Democratic part of Senate. At the same time it's a fact that he's sponsored by Bin Laden.

I think the person who'll do such things must be arrested and tried for treason.

Youshchenko is sponsored by Berezovsky and his ideological teacher is Brzezinsky.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Boroda
Real people work or drink.

Eedyot ahota na volkov!

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Boroda
Is it in the news in the West?
 

Front page news on every major paper recently.

http://www.slate.com/id/2110102/

Powell says the US thinks the election was a fraud.