Ukraine

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Neubob
Eedyot ahota na volkov!

Wolf-hunting goes on in Chechnya now.

It happened in Ukraine in late-40s, their wolves didn't last long. But even there "wolves" killed thousands of civillians though....

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Montezuma
Powell says the US thinks the election was a fraud.

Let me tell you what?... He should go and @#$k himself.

Ukraine has a Constitution, and no loosy politician from overseas should demand to violate it.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Boroda
Wolf-hunting goes on in Chechnya now.

It happened in Ukraine in late-40s, their wolves didn't last long. But even there "wolves" killed thousands of civillians though....

Beard, I was referring to Vihsotski... Had roughest voice of any singer I've ever heard, but it sure served him well in getting his point across.

[Wotan]

The type of rhetoric coming from the west will only embolden the opposition.

Ukraine is not some 3rd world crap whole and should be given the benefit of doubt to handle its own internal politics without undue external influence. Boroda's 2000 'Al Gore scenario' is spot on.

Even if the vote was some how manipulated it is still far better then violence or civil war.

Basically the US should STFU publicly. Any concerns the US or the West has toward the elections should be handled via government channels not through the media.

From the link Montezuma provided Putin is quoted as saying:

Ukraine is a state of law. It doesn't need to be lectured

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Wotan

Basically the US should STFU publicly. Any concerns the US or the West has toward the elections should be handled via government channels not through the media.

From the link Montezuma provided Putin is quoted as saying:

This seems to be a big year for elements of the media committing proverbial Dirty Sanchezes of free speech on the electoral processes of other countries.

[CptTrips]

Boroda,

I think I can safely speak for all of Western civilization when I say we don't really care who runs things over there as long as you guys keep exporting over all those hottie mail-order brides.

Thanks,
Wab

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Boroda
Mr. Yu is a criminal - he tries to get the power ignoring the official results of the elections.

 

Mr. Yu just wants to have outside observers take a look at your voting tally's. If the opposition has nothing to hide, then why not? Something to hide, Comrade?

Sounds like Canada is onboard with the rest of the world calling for a review of the election process, but your "comrades" are not complying. If they;ve nothing to hide, then why not?  Every other election process in the democratic part of the world is opened to outside observers, well except now!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1527&u=/afp/20041124/wl_canada_afp/canada_ukraine_041124201654&printer=1

[Naso]

Out of topic, and a little picky, but...

Ripsnort, you was one of the guy asking us eurotards to go f... ourselves about YOUR elections?

Or am I wrong?

The irony, uh?

[bikekil]

good point Naso

however finally after "you forgot Poland" thing that i finally seen (you are right... the smile on the Bush face after that phrase was like he just won the elections because Kerry forgot us ), i said a word or two about it... so as an eurotard who said his opinion about US elections i can't use that argunent with Rip

With Ukraina thing is a bit different - Ukrainians (a good share of them anyway) are looking for some kind of help from both EU and USA, then if Russia (as a contry, not Boroda himself) can comment the thing i don's see any reason for what USA or EU should shuddup about it.

What worries me, is Russian intention to push Ukraina out of EU and EU trying to put them in other direction... i'm not surprised, but the whole idea of democracy is to let people decide themselves. I don't like that idea (the democracy) but if Ukraina is a democratic country and "Ukraine is a state of law. It doesn't need to be lectured" then why on earth people over there can have a free and REAL elections?
Let them decide, but don't let them politicialns, criminals and so on, decide for the people.

[Saintaw]

Real people work or drink.

hehehe

[fd ski]

Are there any reliable sources on the dirtrict results fromt he voting ?

EU diplomant on radio ( BBC ) the other day stated that whole districtis had a turnout rates along the way of 100% with 100% of people voting for the same candidate.

If there is proof to that info, i'm convinced.


Boroda, question for you: do you think that recent elections in Bialorus were free and fair ?

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Naso
Out of topic, and a little picky, but...

Ripsnort, you was one of the guy asking us eurotards to go f... ourselves about YOUR elections?

Or am I wrong?

The irony, uh?

your wrong.

[genozaur]

There are the results which mostly show drastic polarization of the vote in the Western\Central and the Eastern\Southern regions with the numbers of 80-90 % and more in favor of "YU"(=Yushchenko) in many of the W\C oblast' (the largest administrative unit) and the same numbers in favor of "YA"(=Yanukovich) in the E\S.
 May seem strange enough, but the numbers in favor of YU in the Transcarpathian oblast' are "only" 55% compared to 40% for YA. It can be explained by the history of this subregion, which ethnically differs from many of the neighboring oblast's. Unlike most of the Western Ukraine these people still remember too well the foreign rule of Austria and Poland over their land, and they are less influenced by the propaganda having their own history of the independent and autonomous statehood.
Another remarkable result is the voting in the "abroad" constituencyof Ukrainian voters which gave 56% to YU and 43% to YA.
 The overall number of votes in favor of the president-elect Yanukovich is bigger by nearly 900,000.
 I personally would say that even with all known and unknown "violations" of the voting process
it is practically impossible to falsify the results to such an extend.

[genozaur]

The Ukrain isn't ready for democracy yet and the US is bored of it.

Boroda, how did all those non lithuanians get to lithuania?

__________________
Pongo

=Wings of Terror=

I guess Boroda is pretty busy right now, so I can try to answer your question.

Comrade Stalin was an expert in the interethnic affairs. Shortly before, during and after the WWII a lot of Soviet apparatchiks together with their families landed in the Baltic republics. Many of them were ethnic Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians, but the greatest majority of them were Russian-speaking "Homo Soveticus" species
(not necessarily the Russians) followed by the hordes of the Soviet Working Class armies, as well as the real Army and Navy veterans. But that was not the direct reason to tip the ethnic boat over in these republics. The "Pribalty" (the Baltic nations incorporated into the Soviet Union)
scuffled their ethnic boats themselves by the self-chosen extremely low "civilized" birth-rates as compared to unrefined Russo-occupants. These are the facts.
  And do not read too much newspaper propaganda every day. There are also thick books where the propaganda is less obvious.

[Otto]

Originally posted by Boroda
Is it in the news in the West?

 

It sure is.... but we're having a hard time keeping the names straight.  

I hope this dosen't end in viloence.