Author Topic: Iraqi shooting (camera mans story) (Read 1891 times)

Monk · « **Reply #30 on:** November 24, 2004, 11:15:18 AM »

Who said he apologised?

Flit · « **Reply #31 on:** November 24, 2004, 12:46:41 PM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Why did the marine apologise if he thought the man was a threat.

I think he was referring to the fact that the guys had been wounded the day before."I'm sorry sir, I did'nt know"
When he realized that, that is when he started apoligising.
If he had known these guy were leftovers from the day before,I doubt he would'a took the shot.
As far as he knew, these guys were shooting at Marines just a few minutes before.

Vulcan · « **Reply #32 on:** November 24, 2004, 12:52:13 PM »

This stares out at me screaming inconsistancy in the story:

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The wounded man then tries again to talk to me in Arabic.

Flit · « **Reply #33 on:** November 24, 2004, 01:05:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
This stares out at me screaming inconsistancy in the story:

They probably interpeted what he was saying after reviewing the tape.

SunTracker · « **Reply #34 on:** November 24, 2004, 01:09:41 PM »

The Marine sure acted remorseful when he saw that video camera there. Thats a sign that he knew what he did was wrong.

Scatcat · « **Reply #35 on:** November 24, 2004, 01:15:25 PM »

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Originally posted by RTSigma
If there is proof, then there is proof.

It is possible the guy was faking and wanted to kill the soldiers that fell for his ploy.
Imagine being the guy that could have saved your squad but withheld fire until it was too late.

Then again, the soldier might have been trigger happy, or paranoid, scared, etc.

I may sound brutal saying this, but one less terrorist fighter/revolutionary to deal with.

I agree, I thinks maybe we outta again watch all those videos of what the insurgents do to captured Americans

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #36 on:** November 24, 2004, 01:25:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Flit
I think he was referring to the fact that the guys had been wounded the day before."I'm sorry sir, I did'nt know"
When he realized that, that is when he started apoligising.
If he had known these guy were leftovers from the day before,I doubt he would'a took the shot.
As far as he knew, these guys were shooting at Marines just a few minutes before.

Take that idea to the next step. Either way, it seems the Marine had no reason to apologize if he saw the man as an immediate threat..

In the same situation and circumstances, I might have done the same thing. I will not attempt to justify the actions though. The soldier knew what he was doing and knew after as well..

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #37 on:** November 24, 2004, 06:48:26 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I assume I'm also the only non-American combat vet you've talked to. My guess is you have your answer right there. Also I have not condemned the guy at all, and I have deferred judgement to the tribunal ... because as I have said repeatedly in the original thread: there are serious mitigating circumstances in this case.

Actually no.
One of the W.W.II vets was in one of the European countries (I think Poland) I'll find out for sure on Friday as his grandchildren go to the same school as my daughter

I know two that served for Germany but haven't seen them in a few years to ask them.
Fascinating to talk to though. To get the perspective from the other side. One was a crewman in a Tiger the other was infantry who ended up getting captured and spent the rest of the war in the USA as a POW.
After the war ended he decided to immigrate here and moved to a Town called "Highland Park" Which just happens to be about 90% Jewish. but thats another story.

Perhaps, And I remember you saying that in the original thread, but maybe its just me reading your posts wrong but the perception you are conveying in your posts since then is that your condemning him.

I would however agree with your original thread.
Just not sure I would agree with everything you've said since then.

greentail · « **Reply #38 on:** November 24, 2004, 07:55:37 PM »

So lemme see. If an Iraqi insurgent "pops" a Marine, all you super-patriots are cool with that? After all, maybe the Marine was faking it, eh?

Strangely enough, this is not the first time US forces have been filmed giving the coup de grace to wounded Iraqis. And remember the video of the farmers getting blown away?

I don't blame the Marine. The responsibility lies with his Commander-in-Chief. There is your war criminal. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, have all commited crimes against humanity. Reagan sells arms to terrorists, Bush sells nerve gas and anthrax to Hussein, and you sheep keep voting them in. And actually think killing 10,000 civilians is doing them a favor.

Fools.

Martlet · « **Reply #39 on:** November 24, 2004, 08:03:42 PM »

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Originally posted by greentail
So lemme see. If an Iraqi insurgent "pops" a Marine, all you super-patriots are cool with that? After all, maybe the Marine was faking it, eh?

Strangely enough, this is not the first time US forces have been filmed giving the coup de grace to wounded Iraqis. And remember the video of the farmers getting blown away?

I don't blame the Marine. The responsibility lies with his Commander-in-Chief. There is your war criminal. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, have all commited crimes against humanity. Reagan sells arms to terrorists, Bush sells nerve gas and anthrax to Hussein, and you sheep keep voting them in. And actually think killing 10,000 civilians is doing them a favor.

Fools.

They should moab you, too.

NUKE · « **Reply #40 on:** November 24, 2004, 08:23:18 PM »

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Originally posted by greentail
So lemme see. If an Iraqi insurgent "pops" a Marine, all you super-patriots are cool with that? After all, maybe the Marine was faking it, eh?

Fools.

Maybe if the marines had been proven to have faked death and flown white flags in order to fake surrender as a matter of course.

On the other hand, would the media even care if a marine was shot in that situation?

Steve · « **Reply #41 on:** November 24, 2004, 08:36:34 PM »

Greentail, Kerry lost!! Take it, you whackjob.

Take it!

NUKE · « **Reply #42 on:** November 24, 2004, 08:38:57 PM »

Steve, marry me!

NUKE · « **Reply #43 on:** November 24, 2004, 09:27:25 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
That's ok. If we all agreed this forum would be rather boring, don't you think?

To summarize my oppinion:

1. The actions of those marines (one of them in particular) does constitute a war crime.

2. There are however serious mitigating circumstances which might make this an "accidental crime" (***** happens, especially in war).

3. It is up to the tribunal to decide whether any of them should be punished, and if so how severe that punishment should be.

so in other words, all of your previous posts in which you claimed to have first hand knowledge of the incident mean nothing. Maybe now you see that the facts need to be investigated before casting judgement.

greentail · « **Reply #44 on:** November 24, 2004, 10:42:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
They should moab you, too.

Well, that's a highly reasoned argument. At least you realise that there is no reasonable answer for what Reagan, Bush I and Bush II have done in the middle east.

And don't worry, if it will insure profits for the multinationals, they'll moab you, too.

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